Kindjal -translation needed

HUSAR · 4th October 2006, 05:17 PM

Hello Everybody!
I`d greatly appreciate help in translation of Arabic (?) sentence from this kindjal.
Dagger is relatively small while only 295 mm in overall.
Thank You in advance for any help!

ariel · 4th October 2006, 09:21 PM

This Kindjal looks Turkish.

Rivkin · 4th October 2006, 09:30 PM

100% trabzonian

, the signature "amale" (made by), than name... man, I should have learned arabic.

HUSAR · 5th October 2006, 08:32 AM

could be turkish...but to me blade and handle looks like caucasian style

ariel · 5th October 2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HUSAR

could be turkish...but to me blade and handle looks like caucasian style

BUt of course they do!
Kindjal is an inherently Caucasian weapon and was adopted by many other societies that had or hired Caucasians (with their weapons, of course) as fighters.
NE Turkey is almost "Caucasus" and we have already discussed Laz and Minghrelians.
When we say "Caucasian kindjal" we usually refer to the true Caucasus: Circassia, Ossetia, Georgia, Daghestan with a touch of Armenia and Azerbajan ( simply beacause the latter two are not as well defined or studied).
Yours is a classic Turkish one. Nothing bad about it, but it is not Caucasian proper.

Valjhun · 5th October 2006, 05:12 PM

I agree completely with Ariel and Rivkin. A sweet trabzon piece, you should be happy with it.

HUSAR · 6th October 2006, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Valjhun

I agree completely with Ariel and Rivkin. A sweet trabzon piece, you should be happy with it.

I`m very happy

about the kindjal
now

knowing that it`s trabzon even more... THANKS for help!

Zifir · 6th October 2006, 06:06 PM

The inscription is definitely Turkish. Shame on me, I cannot read it and it is such a clear inscription. I can only say it's a rhyme and the first line says something about assaulting one's enemy. The swordmaker's name is Mahmud (or Mahmoud as it is usually written in English).

HUSAR · 8th October 2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Zifir

The inscription is definitely Turkish. Shame on me, I cannot read it and it is such a clear inscription. I can only say it's a rhyme and the first line says something about assaulting one's enemy. The swordmaker's name is Mahmud (or Mahmoud as it is usually written in English).

I wish I could understand a single letter… unfortunately Arabic is just a total mystery to me….

Have you seen some other work of this swordmaker??

4th October 2006, 05:17 PM	#1
HUSAR Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 80	Kindjal -translation needed Hello Everybody! I`d greatly appreciate help in translation of Arabic (?) sentence from this kindjal. Dagger is relatively small while only 295 mm in overall. Thank You in advance for any help! Attached Images

4th October 2006, 09:21 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	This Kindjal looks Turkish.

4th October 2006, 09:30 PM	#3
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	100% trabzonian , the signature "amale" (made by), than name... man, I should have learned arabic.

5th October 2006, 08:32 AM	#4
HUSAR Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 80	could be turkish...but to me blade and handle looks like caucasian style

5th October 2006, 05:12 PM	#6
Valjhun Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 692	I agree completely with Ariel and Rivkin. A sweet trabzon piece, you should be happy with it.

6th October 2006, 06:06 PM	#8
Zifir Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Istanbul Posts: 228	The inscription is definitely Turkish. Shame on me, I cannot read it and it is such a clear inscription. I can only say it's a rhyme and the first line says something about assaulting one's enemy. The swordmaker's name is Mahmud (or Mahmoud as it is usually written in English).