dagger series, nr2 rondel dagger with spiral grip 1470

cornelistromp · 2nd January 2014, 10:48 PM

this extremely rare roundel dagger was found in a channel in Damme near Bruges in Belgium together with a Ballock dagger.

tapering single edged blade with concave/hollow ground surfaces, thick disks with circle and dot decoration of two different sizes.
spirally shaped handle and quatrefoil decoration brass washer under the tang button. all in a unharmed Original condition

a similar type of dagger is depicted on an altar piece from 1469.
Although many rondel daggers remain to be shown in art, there have been only a very few preserved.

cornelistromp · 2nd January 2014, 10:57 PM

a few more by daylight. 1 from Talhoffer fighting manual 1459 and 1 from myarmoury.com

cornelistromp · 4th January 2014, 08:20 PM

Rondel dagger from rijksmuseum Brussels

Matchlock · 7th January 2014, 04:09 PM

Hi Jasper,

I found this watercolored woodcut of late-15th c. date in the famous Agricola reprint of 1599.

Best,
Michael

cornelistromp · 7th January 2014, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

Hi Jasper,

I found this watercolored woodcut of late-15th c. date in the famous Agricola reprint of 1599.

Best,
Michael

Hi Michael,

thank you, very nice
it of a different type and a bit later than the one under discussion, but you can see some interesting details like the parry plate.
a parry plate with crescent shaped recess and serrated edge came around 1500.

best,
jasper

cornelistromp · 13th January 2014, 07:46 PM

an extraordinarily beautiful ballock dagger with spiral grip and Multi-section blade , a waterfind in Holland.
since the blade is single edged it could go on as a knife and so avoid the city prohibition orders against carrying a dagger within the citywalls !

fernando · 13th January 2014, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cornelistromp

an extraordinarily beautiful ballock dagger with spiral grip.
a waterfind in Holland.

Fascinating !
Jasper's collection ?

cornelistromp · 15th January 2014, 08:15 AM

rondel with thick plates and spiral grip
sheet of a rondel dagger , MET

junker · 11th February 2014, 09:34 PM

Hello,
so this is my example but I am worried about the item.
The guard semm to be a galvano or something like this and the whole grip seem to be restored.
The blade may have a markers mark like an arrow an could be from 1500 but also this is not sure.

cornelistromp · 13th February 2014, 08:20 AM

What exactly are your concerns, your rondel dagger looks unusual but does not look bad.

the blade and grip look authentic to me also the construction of the ring under the guardplate and the backplate are ok.

the guardplate itself, Iam not sure yet, is not very clear in the pictures.

best,
jasper

junker · 13th February 2014, 11:28 AM

Thanks Jasper,

this both parts look too new for me, just a feeling.

Dirk

2nd January 2014, 10:48 PM	#1
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	dagger series, nr2 rondel dagger with spiral grip 1470 this extremely rare roundel dagger was found in a channel in Damme near Bruges in Belgium together with a Ballock dagger. tapering single edged blade with concave/hollow ground surfaces, thick disks with circle and dot decoration of two different sizes. spirally shaped handle and quatrefoil decoration brass washer under the tang button. all in a unharmed Original condition a similar type of dagger is depicted on an altar piece from 1469. Although many rondel daggers remain to be shown in art, there have been only a very few preserved. Attached Images

2nd January 2014, 10:57 PM	#2
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	a few more by daylight. 1 from Talhoffer fighting manual 1459 and 1 from myarmoury.com Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 3rd January 2014 at 09:33 AM.

4th January 2014, 08:20 PM	#3
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	Rondel dagger from rijksmuseum Brussels Attached Images

7th January 2014, 04:09 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Jasper, I found this watercolored woodcut of late-15th c. date in the famous Agricola reprint of 1599. Best, Michael Attached Images

13th January 2014, 07:46 PM	#6
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	an extraordinarily beautiful ballock dagger with spiral grip and Multi-section blade , a waterfind in Holland. since the blade is single edged it could go on as a knife and so avoid the city prohibition orders against carrying a dagger within the citywalls ! Attached Images

15th January 2014, 08:15 AM	#8
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	rondel with thick plates and spiral grip sheet of a rondel dagger , MET Attached Images Last edited by cornelistromp; 15th January 2014 at 08:59 AM.

11th February 2014, 09:34 PM	#9
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	mine Hello, so this is my example but I am worried about the item. The guard semm to be a galvano or something like this and the whole grip seem to be restored. The blade may have a markers mark like an arrow an could be from 1500 but also this is not sure. Attached Images

13th February 2014, 08:20 AM	#10
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,058	What exactly are your concerns, your rondel dagger looks unusual but does not look bad. the blade and grip look authentic to me also the construction of the ring under the guardplate and the backplate are ok. the guardplate itself, Iam not sure yet, is not very clear in the pictures. best, jasper

13th February 2014, 11:28 AM	#11
junker Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 140	Thanks Jasper, this both parts look too new for me, just a feeling. Dirk