Kingdom of Siam Crest

mrcjgscott · 31st March 2016, 11:09 AM

Hello all,

My friend has sent me an image of an unidentified crest on a sword he has just purchased.

He was hoping it was a family crest, but looking at it, it looks very similar to the Royal Siamese coat of arms.

I only have this image at the moment, but will hopefully be getting more shortly.

If anybody can shed some light, I would be most grateful.

Kind regards,

Chris

Ian · 1st April 2016, 03:33 PM

Chris:

This image does indeed resemble several of the royal crests used by Thai rulers, especially those from the Ayutthaya period. However, in looking through my records I cannot find one of the royal crests which exactly matches the image that you show--several are close but no precise match. I will be interested to hear what others think.

Ian.

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Originally Posted by mrcjgscott

Hello all,

My friend has sent me an image of an unidentified crest on a sword he has just purchased.

He was hoping it was a family crest, but looking at it, it looks very similar to the Royal Siamese coat of arms.

I only have this image at the moment, but will hopefully be getting more shortly.

If anybody can shed some light, I would be most grateful.

Kind regards,

Chris

mrcjgscott · 2nd April 2016, 10:50 PM

Thanks for your reply Ian.

On closer inspection I cannot see an identical match either.

Hopefully the members here may hold the answer.

Kind regards,

Chris

mrcjgscott · 16th April 2016, 03:01 PM

Just popping this back to the top in the hope that somebody may recognise the crest.

I was discussing it with somebody recently, who suggested a look towards the Indian Princely States might not be a bad idea either.

Any further suggestions are of course, most welcome!

Andreas · 17th April 2016, 06:21 PM

Either the Thai or the Cambodian Royal Crown, looks more like the latter. Their heraldic design kept changing slightly through the past two centuries. A picture of the whole sword might help with the attribution.
Andreas

Nathaniel · 24th April 2016, 06:01 AM

It would be great to see a picture of the entire sword :-). This must be a European style dress sword.

mrcjgscott · 25th April 2016, 04:20 PM

Thanks Gents,

I had not considered Cambodia, there are certainly similarities!

I will post up pictures as soon as I have them.

Nathaniel · 26th April 2016, 06:06 AM

Most likely this is a Thai military dress sword. They are the most common you will see on the market which are both old and new. Some are from Sheffield, others from Solingen. Not sure where they are made currently. Following western military tradition it is a dress sword from graduating academy ie. Thai Royal Navy, Army, Air Force or Police.

The symbol you see is of the Royal Crown, which is of Khmer (Cambodian) origin. The Khmer empire at it's height ruled over the regions of modern day Laos and Thailand. When the regions of Laos and Thailand gained independence from the Khmer empire the new ruling powers in Thailand & Laos adopted much from the Khmer royal structure including etiquette, regalia, title structure, language (ie Royal forms of address), Brahmin rituals, etc.

This particular style of crown, I think the style of the rays of light that come from the top of the crown I think most closely match what you see from Thailand.

31st March 2016, 11:09 AM	#1
mrcjgscott Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 189	Kingdom of Siam Crest Hello all, My friend has sent me an image of an unidentified crest on a sword he has just purchased. He was hoping it was a family crest, but looking at it, it looks very similar to the Royal Siamese coat of arms. I only have this image at the moment, but will hopefully be getting more shortly. If anybody can shed some light, I would be most grateful. Kind regards, Chris Attached Images

17th April 2016, 06:21 PM	#5
Andreas Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ionian Islands, Greece Posts: 96	Either the Thai or the Cambodian Royal Crown, looks more like the latter. Their heraldic design kept changing slightly through the past two centuries. A picture of the whole sword might help with the attribution. Andreas Last edited by Andreas; 17th April 2016 at 06:40 PM.

2nd April 2016, 10:50 PM	#3
mrcjgscott Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 189	Thanks for your reply Ian. On closer inspection I cannot see an identical match either. Hopefully the members here may hold the answer. Kind regards, Chris

16th April 2016, 03:01 PM	#4
mrcjgscott Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 189	Just popping this back to the top in the hope that somebody may recognise the crest. I was discussing it with somebody recently, who suggested a look towards the Indian Princely States might not be a bad idea either. Any further suggestions are of course, most welcome!

24th April 2016, 06:01 AM	#6
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	It would be great to see a picture of the entire sword :-). This must be a European style dress sword.

25th April 2016, 04:20 PM	#7
mrcjgscott Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 189	Thanks Gents, I had not considered Cambodia, there are certainly similarities! I will post up pictures as soon as I have them.

26th April 2016, 06:06 AM	#8
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Most likely this is a Thai military dress sword. They are the most common you will see on the market which are both old and new. Some are from Sheffield, others from Solingen. Not sure where they are made currently. Following western military tradition it is a dress sword from graduating academy ie. Thai Royal Navy, Army, Air Force or Police. The symbol you see is of the Royal Crown, which is of Khmer (Cambodian) origin. The Khmer empire at it's height ruled over the regions of modern day Laos and Thailand. When the regions of Laos and Thailand gained independence from the Khmer empire the new ruling powers in Thailand & Laos adopted much from the Khmer royal structure including etiquette, regalia, title structure, language (ie Royal forms of address), Brahmin rituals, etc. This particular style of crown, I think the style of the rays of light that come from the top of the crown I think most closely match what you see from Thailand.