Indonesian sword for discussion

danny1976 · 12th December 2016, 12:45 AM

Hi Guy's

This sword i did get last week with some other items i placed also on the forum
but it is a mind crusher

IMO , it is a Javanese( or maybe Madurese) pedang with great European/ Dutch influence .
Nice antler hilt / wooden scabbard that is covered with 3 silver sleeves / Indonesian blade with pamor / just nice and complete .

But also impossible to find info about a similar one or maybe i'm looking at the wrong places.

Someone a opinion or idea's??

Regards,
Danny

Sajen · 13th December 2016, 08:59 PM

Hi Danny,

since nobody respond to your thread until now I will give it a try. It's a Javanese pedang IMVHO. Have a look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=pedang

Regards,
Detlef

Henk · 13th December 2016, 09:29 PM

It is a Javanese pedang indeed. The european style pedang was worn by the guards of the kraton.

danny1976 · 13th December 2016, 10:51 PM

Hi Sajen en Henk,

Thanks for responding .
My opinion was also that is is a Javanese pedang worn by the guards similar like the wear a wedung , i did search for some pictures of wedung and some have the same shaped clip /ornament .

For myself i was looking for more reference or pictures from a similar pedang because the most pedang's of this type that we see is what Sajen posted in the link. With replacement scabbards or hilt's and most of the time a worn old blade.

This pedang has a blade in good condition , no chips etc..and the scabbard and hilt are different and also in a better condition than what we see usual, so i was and i'm still looking for some more pictures or info to compare.

Regards,
Danny

kai · 13th December 2016, 11:35 PM

Hello Danny,

Sorry, forgot to answer!

Quote:

IMO , it is a Javanese( or maybe Madurese) pedang with great European/ Dutch influence

Yup, congrats obtaining this really nice pedang - I believe this example is more likely to be worn by nobility!

I can't offer a perfect match; IMHO it fits well with the variants encountered on Jawa though (the last 2 with variant blade types, too):
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22023
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17706
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19936
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21612
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=21824

Quote:

Nice antler hilt

Have a close look - might as well be ivory.

BTW, what are the chains made from?

Regards,
Kai

kai · 13th December 2016, 11:54 PM

Hello Danny,

Quote:

My opinion was also that is is a Javanese pedang worn by the guards similar like the wear a wedung , i did search for some pictures of wedung and some have the same shaped clip /ornament .

Good call: The decoration on some wedung scabbards really looks like the clip on your pedang scabbard! Thus, this may point to an origin in central Jawa.

Regards,
Kai

Royston · 14th December 2016, 06:23 AM

A couple more. Old ( poor quality ) stock photos of two that I have had for years.

Pre -cleaning photos, but they do show that one has a local made pamur blade and the other a plain monosteel.

I have always thought that these were Javanese but obviously with European influence.

Cheers
Roy

danny1976 · 14th December 2016, 11:46 PM

Hai Kai ,

I did not test or clean the chains yet but i suspect that the are from silver also .

Royston , thanks for the photo's .
Nice swords ! The have even more European influence as we can see on the hand guard.

12th December 2016, 12:45 AM	#1
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Indonesian sword for discussion Hi Guy's This sword i did get last week with some other items i placed also on the forum but it is a mind crusher IMO , it is a Javanese( or maybe Madurese) pedang with great European/ Dutch influence . Nice antler hilt / wooden scabbard that is covered with 3 silver sleeves / Indonesian blade with pamor / just nice and complete . But also impossible to find info about a similar one or maybe i'm looking at the wrong places. Someone a opinion or idea's?? Regards, Danny Attached Images

13th December 2016, 10:51 PM	#4
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hi Sajen en Henk, Thanks for responding . My opinion was also that is is a Javanese pedang worn by the guards similar like the wear a wedung , i did search for some pictures of wedung and some have the same shaped clip /ornament . For myself i was looking for more reference or pictures from a similar pedang because the most pedang's of this type that we see is what Sajen posted in the link. With replacement scabbards or hilt's and most of the time a worn old blade. This pedang has a blade in good condition , no chips etc..and the scabbard and hilt are different and also in a better condition than what we see usual, so i was and i'm still looking for some more pictures or info to compare. Regards, Danny Attached Images

14th December 2016, 06:23 AM	#7
Royston Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Poole England Posts: 443	A couple more. Old ( poor quality ) stock photos of two that I have had for years. Pre -cleaning photos, but they do show that one has a local made pamur blade and the other a plain monosteel. I have always thought that these were Javanese but obviously with European influence. Cheers Roy Attached Images

13th December 2016, 08:59 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,786	Hi Danny, since nobody respond to your thread until now I will give it a try. It's a Javanese pedang IMVHO. Have a look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=pedang Regards, Detlef

13th December 2016, 09:29 PM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	It is a Javanese pedang indeed. The european style pedang was worn by the guards of the kraton.

14th December 2016, 11:46 PM	#8
danny1976 Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 245	Hai Kai , I did not test or clean the chains yet but i suspect that the are from silver also . Royston , thanks for the photo's . Nice swords ! The have even more European influence as we can see on the hand guard.