Help and a translation

paolo · 29th May 2013, 05:39 PM

I got this one. Not too time ago there was a thread on a similar one I'm not able to find. Then I wish have a translation of the writings (I don't know if the pics are in right sense).
Thank You in advance
Paolo

RhysMichael · 29th May 2013, 05:45 PM

My best guess would be a Sumbawa knife but its just a guess. It could be a Siraui from the blade shape but to me the hilt and scabbard do not look righ for that. It will be interesting to see what it turns out to be. And I am of no help on the translation.

Henk · 29th May 2013, 10:10 PM

Looks to me as a rencong. Never seen one like this. Just love it.

Sajen · 29th May 2013, 10:20 PM

Michael is correct, it is a Sumbawa knife. Used for ceremonial rice harvesting. Beautiful example. Such a knife is already long on my wish list. Look on page 74 in A. G. v. Z.
Handle seems to be from hippo ivory. Inscription most probable jawi.
Michael has shown a example in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=sumbawa
And here one more from Charles: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=sumbawa

Regards,

Detlef

RhysMichael · 30th May 2013, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

Michael is correct, it is a Sumbawa knife. Used for ceremonial rice harvesting. Beautiful example. Such a knife is already long on my wish list. Look on page 74 in A. G. v. Z.
Handle seems to be from hippo ivory. Inscription most probable jawi.
Michael has shown a example in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=sumbawa
And here one more from Charles: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=sumbawa

Regards,

Detlef

Thanks Detlef for the links

Battara · 30th May 2013, 02:06 AM

On both sides of the blade I do see "Allah" used twice. Therefore it may be translatable and not Jawi.

paolo · 30th May 2013, 09:55 AM

Thank You for inputs. Two more details : the seller told that hilt is boar tusk, the blade is duble edged.
Paolo

Sajen · 30th May 2013, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paolo

the seller told that hilt is boar tusk, ......
Paolo

Hello Paolo, I am nearly sure that I see a row of dots at your handle, look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=hippo
Maybe you can post close ups.

Regards,

Detlef

Sajen · 30th May 2013, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

On both sides of the blade I do see "Allah" used twice. Therefore it may be translatable and not Jawi.

Hi Jose,

you are correct, now where you write it i see it also!

Regards,

Detlef

RhysMichael · 30th May 2013, 04:35 PM

I need to preface this by saying I know nothing of the languages of this region. So this may be a case of seeing what you are looking for. If I am wrong please correct me.

That said, something in this inscription was tugging at my memory from when I was researching rentcong. So I pulled out "Hands of Time" by Barbara Leigh. After looking at that I would like to propose that part of the inscription ( photo attached) MAY say Bismillahh - In the name of god the merciful and compassionate. Its not identical to the Aceh but its very close to my eye

paolo · 31st May 2013, 09:30 AM

Here are the closeups of the hilt (not too good, owing to the light).
Paolo

Sajen · 31st May 2013, 09:28 PM

Hello Paolo,

clearly hippo ivory IMHO.

Regards,

Detlef

A.alnakkas · 31st May 2013, 09:36 PM

cool little knife.

The small square with 2 words over eachother is "Allah - Mohammed"

The sentence: Hasbuna Allah wa ne'm alwakeel - Which means: "Allah is sufficient for us and he is THE protector/helper"

29th May 2013, 05:39 PM	#1
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Help and a translation I got this one. Not too time ago there was a thread on a similar one I'm not able to find. Then I wish have a translation of the writings (I don't know if the pics are in right sense). Thank You in advance Paolo Attached Images

29th May 2013, 05:45 PM	#2
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	My best guess would be a Sumbawa knife but its just a guess. It could be a Siraui from the blade shape but to me the hilt and scabbard do not look righ for that. It will be interesting to see what it turns out to be. And I am of no help on the translation. Last edited by RhysMichael; 29th May 2013 at 06:15 PM.

29th May 2013, 10:20 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,775	Michael is correct, it is a Sumbawa knife. Used for ceremonial rice harvesting. Beautiful example. Such a knife is already long on my wish list. Look on page 74 in A. G. v. Z. Handle seems to be from hippo ivory. Inscription most probable jawi. Michael has shown a example in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=sumbawa And here one more from Charles: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=sumbawa Regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 29th May 2013 at 10:32 PM.

30th May 2013, 04:35 PM	#10
RhysMichael Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Virginia Posts: 520	I need to preface this by saying I know nothing of the languages of this region. So this may be a case of seeing what you are looking for. If I am wrong please correct me. That said, something in this inscription was tugging at my memory from when I was researching rentcong. So I pulled out "Hands of Time" by Barbara Leigh. After looking at that I would like to propose that part of the inscription ( photo attached) MAY say Bismillahh - In the name of god the merciful and compassionate. Its not identical to the Aceh but its very close to my eye Attached Images

31st May 2013, 09:30 AM	#11
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Here are the closeups of the hilt (not too good, owing to the light). Paolo Attached Images

29th May 2013, 10:10 PM	#3
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Looks to me as a rencong. Never seen one like this. Just love it.

30th May 2013, 02:06 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	On both sides of the blade I do see "Allah" used twice. Therefore it may be translatable and not Jawi.

30th May 2013, 09:55 AM	#7
paolo Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 173	Thank You for inputs. Two more details : the seller told that hilt is boar tusk, the blade is duble edged. Paolo

31st May 2013, 09:28 PM	#12
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,775	Hello Paolo, clearly hippo ivory IMHO. Regards, Detlef

31st May 2013, 09:36 PM	#13
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	cool little knife. The small square with 2 words over eachother is "Allah - Mohammed" The sentence: Hasbuna Allah wa ne'm alwakeel - Which means: "Allah is sufficient for us and he is THE protector/helper"