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Old 5th October 2009, 09:09 PM   #1
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Hello Members,

someone have seen a hilt like this before or know from where it orginate? Is it a Bugis form?

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Old 6th October 2009, 12:43 PM   #2
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your hilt looks Bugis from Selayar island
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Old 6th October 2009, 02:58 PM   #3
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your hilt looks Bugis from Selayar island
Thank you very much!
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Old 23rd October 2009, 02:57 AM   #4
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Hi guys,

Sorry to abruptly come like this.

The hilt was quite unusual, even though the "bangunan" looks Bugis enough to me.

Is the Selayar island is only attributed for this kind of hilt? Or do they have different wronko and blade forms as well?
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Old 23rd October 2009, 04:05 PM   #5
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Hi guys,

Sorry to abruptly come like this.

The hilt was quite unusual, even though the "bangunan" looks Bugis enough to me.

Is the Selayar island is only attributed for this kind of hilt? Or do they have different wronko and blade forms as well?
Sorry, I don't know.
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Old 23rd October 2009, 04:41 PM   #6
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Well, I reckon there must be a slight different from the typical Bugis keris. As for this case, the hilt. Or it is just simply because it was made there.

The same puzzling question that is similar to this case is about Karimun kerises.
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Old 23rd October 2009, 06:18 PM   #7
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Well, I reckon there must be a slight different from the typical Bugis keris. As for this case, the hilt. Or it is just simply because it was made there.

The same puzzling question that is similar to this case is about Karimun kerises.

I think that not all Selayer hilts have this form since this is the only one I have seen until now.
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Old 26th October 2009, 02:39 AM   #8
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I think that not all Selayer hilts have this form since this is the only one I have seen until now.
True, this is an uncommon form. Selayar have a typical form, similar to the distinctive badik hilt from Selayar. Refer to Zonneveld's, "Traditional Weapons Of The Indonesia Archipelago".
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Old 26th October 2009, 02:47 AM   #9
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True, this is an uncommon form. Selayar have a typical form, similar to the distinctive badik hilt from Selayar. Refer to Zonneveld's, "Traditional Weapons Of The Indonesia Archipelago".

Hello Alam,
on which page is this written down in Zonneveld?

Best regards,

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Old 26th October 2009, 04:11 AM   #10
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Hello Alam,
on which page is this written down in Zonneveld?
I'll let you know when I'm back home.
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Old 26th October 2009, 06:44 AM   #11
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Oh pity me, I don't have that book.

Is it also mentioned in Jean Greffioz's book, bro Shahrial?
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Old 26th October 2009, 03:59 PM   #12
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Hello Alam,
on which page is this written down in Zonneveld?
It's found on pg. 74, No. 286.

Moshah,
I've browse thru' Jean Greffioz's book.. unfortunately there is no example of a Selayar hilt (both badik and keris form). I'll post an example soon.
(( Selayar keris hilt form )) 1st row, 1st from the right.

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Old 26th October 2009, 06:03 PM   #13
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It's found on pg. 74, No. 286.

Moshah,
I've browse thru' Jean Greffioz's book.. unfortunately there is no example of a Selayar hilt (both badik and keris form). I'll post an example soon.
(( Selayar keris hilt form )) 1st row, 1st from the right.

Thank's a lot Alam, also for the picture, now I know which hilt form you mean!

Regards,

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Old 27th October 2009, 04:29 AM   #14
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(( Selayar keris hilt form )) 1st row, 1st from the right.
Thanks for the link, Alam.

However I found that pak Majid's Selayar hilt is more twisted and bowed than of Detlef's. Why is that so? Any opinion?

It was quite twisted and almost look like a Sumbawa hilt....(anyway the pix itself wasn't that clear... )
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