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Sajen 5th October 2009 08:09 PM
Hilt question
 
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Hello Members,

someone have seen a hilt like this before or know from where it orginate? Is it a Bugis form?

Thank's in advance,

sajen

PenangsangII 6th October 2009 11:43 AM
your hilt looks Bugis from Selayar island

Sajen 6th October 2009 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by PenangsangII
your hilt looks Bugis from Selayar island
Thank you very much!

Moshah 23rd October 2009 01:57 AM
Hi guys,

Sorry to abruptly come like this.

The hilt was quite unusual, even though the "bangunan" looks Bugis enough to me.

Is the Selayar island is only attributed for this kind of hilt? Or do they have different wronko and blade forms as well?

Sajen 23rd October 2009 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Moshah
Hi guys,

Sorry to abruptly come like this.

The hilt was quite unusual, even though the "bangunan" looks Bugis enough to me.

Is the Selayar island is only attributed for this kind of hilt? Or do they have different wronko and blade forms as well?
Sorry, I don't know.
:shrug:

Moshah 23rd October 2009 03:41 PM
Well, I reckon there must be a slight different from the typical Bugis keris. As for this case, the hilt. Or it is just simply because it was made there.

The same puzzling question that is similar to this case is about Karimun kerises.

Sajen 23rd October 2009 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Moshah
Well, I reckon there must be a slight different from the typical Bugis keris. As for this case, the hilt. Or it is just simply because it was made there.

The same puzzling question that is similar to this case is about Karimun kerises.

I think that not all Selayer hilts have this form since this is the only one I have seen until now.

Alam Shah 26th October 2009 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sajen
I think that not all Selayer hilts have this form since this is the only one I have seen until now.
True, this is an uncommon form. Selayar have a typical form, similar to the distinctive badik hilt from Selayar. Refer to Zonneveld's, "Traditional Weapons Of The Indonesia Archipelago". :)

Sajen 26th October 2009 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Alam Shah
True, this is an uncommon form. Selayar have a typical form, similar to the distinctive badik hilt from Selayar. Refer to Zonneveld's, "Traditional Weapons Of The Indonesia Archipelago". :)

Hello Alam,
on which page is this written down in Zonneveld?

Best regards,

Detlef

Alam Shah 26th October 2009 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Sajen
Hello Alam,
on which page is this written down in Zonneveld?
I'll let you know when I'm back home. ;)

Moshah 26th October 2009 05:44 AM
Oh pity me, I don't have that book.

Is it also mentioned in Jean Greffioz's book, bro Shahrial?

Alam Shah 26th October 2009 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Sajen
Hello Alam,
on which page is this written down in Zonneveld?
It's found on pg. 74, No. 286.

Moshah,
I've browse thru' Jean Greffioz's book.. unfortunately there is no example of a Selayar hilt (both badik and keris form). I'll post an example soon. :)
(( Selayar keris hilt form )) 1st row, 1st from the right.

Sajen 26th October 2009 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Alam Shah
It's found on pg. 74, No. 286.

Moshah,
I've browse thru' Jean Greffioz's book.. unfortunately there is no example of a Selayar hilt (both badik and keris form). I'll post an example soon. :)
(( Selayar keris hilt form )) 1st row, 1st from the right.

Thank's a lot Alam, also for the picture, now I know which hilt form you mean! :)

Regards,

Detlef

Moshah 27th October 2009 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Alam Shah
(( Selayar keris hilt form )) 1st row, 1st from the right.
Thanks for the link, Alam.

However I found that pak Majid's Selayar hilt is more twisted and bowed than of Detlef's. Why is that so? Any opinion?

It was quite twisted and almost look like a Sumbawa hilt....(anyway the pix itself wasn't that clear... ;) )


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