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27th August 2016, 06:52 PM
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Do you have a Greek pistol?
Hi Guys,
I have seen only two on the forum. They are not rare on the market, but quite expensive. My question is just: do you have a Greek pistol, flintlock or percusion? Only one rule, PLEASE post only - Greek pistol - Or pistol done for the Greek market DO NOT POST any Balkans pistol as the thread will lose interest... Thanks Best, Kubur |
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27th August 2016, 07:08 PM
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yes I had one, sold it last month!
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27th August 2016, 09:50 PM
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Hi Kubur
Here is an interesting one. Normally associated with the Greek/Montenego market, this one has an Albanian Crest on top of the barrel. Rick |
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27th August 2016, 10:58 PM
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It should be a criminal offense!! 
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27th August 2016, 11:11 PM
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Well, first your pistol is just gorgeous. I love it. Is it silver? It's a type that i wish to have.... Especially in such good condition. Second, I don't think that your pistol was really done for the Greek taste. When you look at old engravings and paintings of Greek uprising, or Elgood book, you can see a lot of Balkans / Ottoman weapons, swords, rifles and pistols. And I have no doubt that Greeks use your kind of pistol. But for me a Greek pistol is more like the one of Corona... I shouldn't write for the Greek market but more for the Greek taste... What our Greek friends think??? Kubur |
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28th August 2016, 04:17 PM
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Yes, the stock is one piece silver. The lower grade, which the proper name escapes me at the moment. In the photos the pistol needs a bit of a cleaning. But it's hard to clean and keep it that way. I hesitated to post this pistol since reference material from Elgood, Tiri, etc. point to this style to the close proximities of Greece, namely Montenegro and other contingent locations. But I remember other references "loosely" calling these Greek pistols. But I've never thought this correct. I don't think it's ever really been confirmed which market these "spiked" silver pistols were directed towards. Maybe other Forum members have better information. Anyway, I don't want to deter from your Thread any more than I have already. LOL IMHO the pistol posted by Corrado26 is a textbook example of a Greek, or made for the Greek market pistol. And a beautiful one I might add. Wish I owned it. As you mentioned, while not rare, the Greek pistols (and even the Palaskas and Suma Rods) tend to bring higer collector prices - often considerably more - than their typical Ottoman counterparts. It seems when they are offered for sale, they show up at the higher-end auction houses such as Christies, etc. I hope we see some additional pistols posted to this Thread. I would be anxious to see them. Rick |
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28th August 2016, 06:08 PM
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Hi Rick,
Here is the one that i just got for a good price. Good price means problems: trigger guard broken and lock completely rusted...  Best, |
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28th August 2016, 11:08 PM
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Hi Kubur.
The decoration on that pistol looks very Greek to me. Also note the butt cap and more straight grip. Different than the style Corrado posted here. The straighter grip and butt cap style were also popular with many Albanian pistols. The lock looks like all the pieces are there (?). Do you have the broken piece of the trigger guard ? Or is it missing ? Rick |
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30th August 2016, 03:59 PM
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Hello my friends.
This is my new Greek flintlock pistol - kumpoura. A example of first quarter 19th century.This example is heavy and mounted in solid silver with niello highlights of a fine quality workmanship. Overall length -36 cm Weight -1200gr Some of the designs that has carved the respondent is: Two heads eagle, flowers, men's faces. |
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30th August 2016, 05:25 PM
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More photos from pistol and a Greek silver ramrod - harbi
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30th August 2016, 09:21 PM
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Five more.
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30th August 2016, 09:42 PM
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You are killing me! I feel ashamed with my broken pistol!! Guys, there is another kind that I dream to have, the Souliot one from Epirus. I post one photo from Google for the other members who don't know what I mean... Kind regards, Kubur |
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30th August 2016, 10:03 PM
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Pistols for Souliotes, made by Greek or Albanian silversmiths.
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30th August 2016, 11:19 PM
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I think the dream of every collector(Greek, Ottoman or Balkan) is a pair of these wonderful Greek art pistols Roka type.Sylektis thank you for sharing your collection with us.Kubur your pistol is very beautiful and even with them the small wounds.
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31st August 2016, 07:37 PM
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I have one question for Sylektis, what is the function of the small ring on your gorgeous pistol? Best, Kubur |
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31st August 2016, 07:44 PM
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Yes the lock is complete but totaly rusted, I don't know what to do... Only a tiny part of the trigger guard is present. It will be very difficult to find a Greek trigger guard and I don't want to put something else. So I think that i will remove the small bit, as far I know a lot of Ottoman and Greek pistols had no trigger guards... Kubur |
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31st August 2016, 07:54 PM
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Hi again!
The pistol of corrado26 and the first pistol of sylekti are similar to my own , i think they are manufactured in the same silversmith. Stelios |
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31st August 2016, 08:48 PM
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1st September 2016, 12:14 AM
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To say that the chain except for decoration and was a practical way to insure valuable items .
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1st September 2016, 06:59 PM
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Two Greek pistols from Ioannina.
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1st September 2016, 08:31 PM
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Some photos in sunlight
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1st September 2016, 08:37 PM
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More photos
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3rd September 2016, 06:49 PM
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WOW !!!! What beautiful Greek pistols !!! Thank you all for posting these photos. Much enjoyed. Notice the Greek pistols tend to use sculptured style triggers on all/most of their guns. Seems to be a trademak in their design.
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3rd September 2016, 06:53 PM
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3rd September 2016, 06:58 PM
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Yes, I see what you mean. The lock appears to have heavy corrosion. You could still clean up the lock and barrel. Maybe a long soaking in some penetrating fluid, etc. Yes, removing the stub of the trigger guard would display better. Agreed, would look better with no guard in this instance. Rick. |
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7th September 2016, 08:08 PM
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some greek pistols
greetings , silver-stocks and niello , locks and barrels probably from brecia. 56 and 58cm long. Iskender
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8th September 2016, 08:05 AM
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Very nice examples!
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8th September 2016, 12:44 PM
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GREETINGS KUBUR
THIS IS THE ONLY GREEK PISTOL IN MY COLLECTION,NOT IN GREAT CONDITION,REGARDS RAJESH |
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8th September 2016, 01:18 PM
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Please PM me if you need to do some space at home...
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8th September 2016, 01:22 PM
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I'll be annoying with you as I was with Rick. But I don't think that your pistol is Greek. It's a Mediterranean pistol for the Eastern market (basically from North Africa to Turkey). If I was you, I'll remove this modern screw and put a bit wooden paste in the crack. Very nice barrel. Best wishes, Kubur |
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