Mandau pommel representation?

VANDOO · 6th April 2010, 03:33 AM

THIS IS THE KIND OF POST I LIKE

LOTS OF PICTURES OF EXAMPLES AND FORMS AS WELL AS INFORMATION AND IN SOME CASES IDENTIFICATION AS TO TRIBE. THIS MAKES FOR A GOOD REFRENCE FROM WHICH TO LEARN AND TO COMPARE OUR ITEMS TO FOR A POSSIBLE I.D.
I WILL ADD SOME PICTURES I HAVE ON FILE OF VARIOUS AND UNIQUE FORMS. FIRST THE FORM I REFER TO AS FORKED POMMEL FORMS THE ONLY ONE PICTURED SO FAR IN THIS POST WAS I.D. AS KENYAH BUT I HAVE NO IDEA IF THESE WILL BE FROM THE SAME TRIBE.
THERE WILL BE A PICTURE OF TWO HANDLES ONE WOOD AND ONE ANTLER SAID TO BE FROM THE BUSANG. AND ANOTHER PICTURE WITH TWO HANDLES SAID TO BE KAYAN.

VANDOO · 6th April 2010, 04:06 AM

HERE ARE A FEW MORE UNUSUAL MANDAU HANDLE FORMS FROM THE FILES. FEEL FREE TO PLACE AN I.D. AS TO TRIBE ON ANY YOU CAN.

ONE OF THE HANDLES LOOKS MORE BATAK STYLE BUT HAD A MANDAU BLADE AND THEY WERE IN THE AREA. THE HANDLE WITH SKULLS AND A SNAKE HEAD MAY OR MAY NOT BE DAYAK WORK BUT DID HAVE A MANDAU BLADE AND WAS REPRESENTED AS DAYAK. IT IS UNUSUAL BUT MAY BE A MORE RECENT MADE FOR TOURISTS ITEM OR THE REAL DEAL?. I PERSONALLY THINK ITS LIKELY WW2 OR MORE RECENT. SOME FINE HANDLES ARE STILL CARVED TODAY BUT SOME ARE FROM BALI OR OTHER AREAS NO DOUBT AND WITHOUT PROVENANCE OR THE ITEM IN HAND ITS OFTEN VERY DIFFICULT TO TELL. THESE ARE POSTED BECAUSE THEY ARE UNUSUAL OR FINE WORKMANSHIP OR BOTH.

VANDOO · 6th April 2010, 05:01 AM

A FEW MORE AND I WILL STOP

, ONE HANDLE APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN CARVED OUT OF GREEN HORN WHICH IS SOMETIMES SEEN ON OTHER WEAPONS MOSTLY EUROPEAN, PERSIAN AND INDIAN. ONE PICTURE HAS TWO HANDLES ONE BUSANG AND ONE KENYAH.

asomotif · 16th May 2010, 12:27 AM

Recent addition / example of a hilt with malay/muslim influences / floral motifs

David · 16th May 2010, 12:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VANDOO

A FEW MORE AND I WILL STOP

, ONE HANDLE APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN CARVED OUT OF GREEN HORN WHICH IS SOMETIMES SEEN ON OTHER WEAPONS MOSTLY EUROPEAN, PERSIAN AND INDIAN. ONE PICTURE HAS TWO HANDLES ONE BUSANG AND ONE KENYAH.

Gee Barry, i was going to post one of mine and suddenly there it was in your post. Amazing!

VANDOO · 16th May 2010, 05:02 AM

SORRY ABOUT THAT DAVID,

THE BAD NEWS IS I BEAT YOU TO IT, THE GOOD NEWS IS YOU OWN ONE THAT I CONSIDER UNUSUAL AND SUPER COOL. CONGRADULATIONS!!

A SECOND PICTURE WITH MORE INFORMATION ON YOUR MANDAU WOULDN'T BE OUT OF PLACE HERE.
I AM ESPECIALLY CURIOUS ABOUT THE HILT THAT APPEARS TO BE GREEN HORN.

asomotif · 16th May 2010, 09:08 AM

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A SECOND PICTURE WITH MORE INFORMATION ON YOUR MANDAU WOULDN'T BE OUT OF PLACE HERE.

And a picture of the blade would be nice to.

This hilt is very unusual. Makes me think of Bayu handles, but the base of the blade does not look Bayu to me.

Best regards,
Willem

migueldiaz · 16th May 2010, 01:25 PM

More images, from the book Iban Art, by Heppell et al. --

6th April 2010, 03:33 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THIS IS THE KIND OF POST I LIKE LOTS OF PICTURES OF EXAMPLES AND FORMS AS WELL AS INFORMATION AND IN SOME CASES IDENTIFICATION AS TO TRIBE. THIS MAKES FOR A GOOD REFRENCE FROM WHICH TO LEARN AND TO COMPARE OUR ITEMS TO FOR A POSSIBLE I.D. I WILL ADD SOME PICTURES I HAVE ON FILE OF VARIOUS AND UNIQUE FORMS. FIRST THE FORM I REFER TO AS FORKED POMMEL FORMS THE ONLY ONE PICTURED SO FAR IN THIS POST WAS I.D. AS KENYAH BUT I HAVE NO IDEA IF THESE WILL BE FROM THE SAME TRIBE. THERE WILL BE A PICTURE OF TWO HANDLES ONE WOOD AND ONE ANTLER SAID TO BE FROM THE BUSANG. AND ANOTHER PICTURE WITH TWO HANDLES SAID TO BE KAYAN. Attached Images

6th April 2010, 04:06 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	HERE ARE A FEW MORE UNUSUAL MANDAU HANDLE FORMS FROM THE FILES. FEEL FREE TO PLACE AN I.D. AS TO TRIBE ON ANY YOU CAN. ONE OF THE HANDLES LOOKS MORE BATAK STYLE BUT HAD A MANDAU BLADE AND THEY WERE IN THE AREA. THE HANDLE WITH SKULLS AND A SNAKE HEAD MAY OR MAY NOT BE DAYAK WORK BUT DID HAVE A MANDAU BLADE AND WAS REPRESENTED AS DAYAK. IT IS UNUSUAL BUT MAY BE A MORE RECENT MADE FOR TOURISTS ITEM OR THE REAL DEAL?. I PERSONALLY THINK ITS LIKELY WW2 OR MORE RECENT. SOME FINE HANDLES ARE STILL CARVED TODAY BUT SOME ARE FROM BALI OR OTHER AREAS NO DOUBT AND WITHOUT PROVENANCE OR THE ITEM IN HAND ITS OFTEN VERY DIFFICULT TO TELL. THESE ARE POSTED BECAUSE THEY ARE UNUSUAL OR FINE WORKMANSHIP OR BOTH. Attached Images

6th April 2010, 05:01 AM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	A FEW MORE AND I WILL STOP , ONE HANDLE APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN CARVED OUT OF GREEN HORN WHICH IS SOMETIMES SEEN ON OTHER WEAPONS MOSTLY EUROPEAN, PERSIAN AND INDIAN. ONE PICTURE HAS TWO HANDLES ONE BUSANG AND ONE KENYAH. Attached Images

16th May 2010, 12:27 AM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Recent addition / example of a hilt with malay/muslim influences / floral motifs Attached Images

16th May 2010, 01:25 PM	#8
migueldiaz Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Manila, Phils. Posts: 1,042	More images, from the book Iban Art, by Heppell et al. -- Attached Images

16th May 2010, 05:02 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	SORRY ABOUT THAT DAVID, THE BAD NEWS IS I BEAT YOU TO IT, THE GOOD NEWS IS YOU OWN ONE THAT I CONSIDER UNUSUAL AND SUPER COOL. CONGRADULATIONS!! A SECOND PICTURE WITH MORE INFORMATION ON YOUR MANDAU WOULDN'T BE OUT OF PLACE HERE. I AM ESPECIALLY CURIOUS ABOUT THE HILT THAT APPEARS TO BE GREEN HORN.