'Dha' blade restoration, are they laminated?

Gavin Nugent · 6th April 2010, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathaniel

Gene,

I think Gav & I are on the same page here...I think what you have done sounds good...just light polish & etch.

Here is something similar to what I think we are both suggesting...simple yet elegant...this way the focus is on the blade and nothing distracts from it.

Very Tastful Nathaniel and well spoken, I like it!!

What do you think Gene?

Gav

Atlantia · 6th April 2010, 11:16 PM

Nathaniel,
Thats a lovely blade. I've used it as a guide and somewhat straightened the tang on mine (to approximately the same angle).

I do agree with you and Gav that it looks great displayed as you have it.....
But doesn't part of you want to feel the balance with the handle restored?
Swing it around... just a little bit?

Best
Gene

Gavin Nugent · 7th April 2010, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atlantia

Nathaniel,
Thats a lovely blade. I've used it as a guide and somewhat straightened the tang on mine (to approximately the same angle).

I do agree with you and Gav that it looks great displayed as you have it.....
But doesn't part of you want to feel the balance with the handle restored?
Swing it around... just a little bit?

Best
Gene

Go for it Gene, afterall these are just personal opinions and the item is yours.
I'd suggest asking others about using a resin to secure the handle that will keep it tight abnd secure and something that could be heated and removed should you ever desire to display it in the raw again.

Gav

Atlantia · 7th April 2010, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebooter

Go for it Gene, afterall these are just personal opinions and the item is yours.
I'd suggest asking others about using a resin to secure the handle that will keep it tight abnd secure and something that could be heated and removed should you ever desire to display it in the raw again.

Gav

Thats a good idea mate. Something non-permenant.
I've done a light etch, there are clear lamination lines and what looks to be a hardened edge. Can you have a looksee please? (and all other comments are welcome too)

spiral · 7th April 2010, 11:35 PM

lovely historic blade Atlantia with a clearly tempered edge & some lamination near the edge as well, I expect the patterns could be brought out further to show whether its an inserted laminated edge with softer backning envelope or not. That would be my guess based on the current photos.

This thread shows a later possible related British Indian army style.{or not as the case may be.} that may or may not be of intrest.

linky....

Spiral.

Nathaniel · 8th April 2010, 12:34 AM

Gene,

You did a great job...beautiful blade! Look at the brass inlaid along the spine...and now we can see the pattern on the back of the blade...what struck me is how it reminded me of my village Kukri...definitely supports what Gavin & James where saying above about the Kukri influence...you see in Burmese martial art, Bando, they use the Kukri...Burmese language is related to Tibetan and also influenced by Chinese....

As far as where or not to mount the blade...why not? As Gavin said, I would make sure you consult on how to do it and undo it. As far as a handle type...well, can't go too wrong...looking at knives in SEA, there is such a variety in handle type.

Spiral...thanks for the links...now I see I pulled that one photo from Puff's post!

PUFF · 8th April 2010, 10:21 AM

For this type of tang (push tang), you may use a piece of wood as hilt with a pipe clamp as a secure ferrule.

Some of makers here use this temporary hilt for checking their blade performance and balance.

The hilt were later replaced with the real one.

The recurved knives in Nathaniel's comment are Siamese, C17-C18. They were called Dao Ngum (recurved Dao sword). This might give you a hint of their Chinese origin

. By the way, Dao and Dahb are interchangeable Siamese terms for backsword.

Atlantia · 9th April 2010, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathaniel

Gene,

You did a great job...beautiful blade! Look at the brass inlaid along the spine...and now we can see the pattern on the back of the blade...what struck me is how it reminded me of my village Kukri...definitely supports what Gavin & James where saying above about the Kukri influence...you see in Burmese martial art, Bando, they use the Kukri...Burmese language is related to Tibetan and also influenced by Chinese....

As far as where or not to mount the blade...why not? As Gavin said, I would make sure you consult on how to do it and undo it. As far as a handle type...well, can't go too wrong...looking at knives in SEA, there is such a variety in handle type.

Spiral...thanks for the links...now I see I pulled that one photo from Puff's post!

Thats a really nice Kuk!!
Whats the overall length?
Are you tempted to etch the blade? I'd have thought that was a prime candidate for some hidden treasures!
I love the decoration on it, reminds me of Xmas tinsel and garlands

In a nice way of course!

And thanks for the kind comments

As for the handle on the 'Mead'... Thats the beauty isn't it

I'm kind of leaning towards a stag-horn carving like Chegru has (the 'What a Dha' thread).
I've got to look in the shed as I've got a few really old stag horns.
What are the chances I'll have a long enough straight-ish section?

Best
Gene

Atlantia · 9th April 2010, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiral

lovely historic blade Atlantia with a clearly tempered edge & some lamination near the edge as well, I expect the patterns could be brought out further to show whether its an inserted laminated edge with softer backning envelope or not. That would be my guess based on the current photos.

This thread shows a later possible related British Indian army style.{or not as the case may be.} that may or may not be of intrest.

linky....

Spiral.

Hi Spiral.

Thank you very much. The blade seems to have more obvious laminations towards the edge, but there are laminations visible (fainter) across the entire surface.
The edge looks almost like a Hamon line, is it produced in a similar way?

Thats an interesting link!!, I wasn't familiar with that knife. I'd rather like one muyself!!

Best
Gene

8th April 2010, 12:34 AM	#6
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Gene, You did a great job...beautiful blade! Look at the brass inlaid along the spine...and now we can see the pattern on the back of the blade...what struck me is how it reminded me of my village Kukri...definitely supports what Gavin & James where saying above about the Kukri influence...you see in Burmese martial art, Bando, they use the Kukri...Burmese language is related to Tibetan and also influenced by Chinese.... As far as where or not to mount the blade...why not? As Gavin said, I would make sure you consult on how to do it and undo it. As far as a handle type...well, can't go too wrong...looking at knives in SEA, there is such a variety in handle type. Spiral...thanks for the links...now I see I pulled that one photo from Puff's post! Last edited by Nathaniel; 8th April 2010 at 12:44 AM.

8th April 2010, 10:21 AM	#7
PUFF Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 30 miles north of Bangkok, 20 miles south of Ayuthaya, Thailand Posts: 224	For this type of tang (push tang), you may use a piece of wood as hilt with a pipe clamp as a secure ferrule. Some of makers here use this temporary hilt for checking their blade performance and balance. The hilt were later replaced with the real one. The recurved knives in Nathaniel's comment are Siamese, C17-C18. They were called Dao Ngum (recurved Dao sword). This might give you a hint of their Chinese origin . By the way, Dao and Dahb are interchangeable Siamese terms for backsword. Last edited by PUFF; 8th April 2010 at 10:35 AM.

6th April 2010, 11:16 PM	#2
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Nathaniel, Thats a lovely blade. I've used it as a guide and somewhat straightened the tang on mine (to approximately the same angle). I do agree with you and Gav that it looks great displayed as you have it..... But doesn't part of you want to feel the balance with the handle restored? Swing it around... just a little bit? Best Gene

7th April 2010, 11:35 PM	#5
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	lovely historic blade Atlantia with a clearly tempered edge & some lamination near the edge as well, I expect the patterns could be brought out further to show whether its an inserted laminated edge with softer backning envelope or not. That would be my guess based on the current photos. This thread shows a later possible related British Indian army style.{or not as the case may be.} that may or may not be of intrest. linky.... Spiral.