Old kris for comment

tom hyle · 28th March 2010, 11:34 PM

Bridging the gap between khanda and kris sundang; beauty; I have long noted the resemblance of the two protrusions below a khanda/firangi type guard to those engaged by the baca baca on kris sundang. Never expected to see the khanda's extreme lagnet on a kris though. Super cool. I more suspect this is original than a repair.

Sajen · 28th March 2010, 11:41 PM

Hello Henk,

very interesting kris, never seen something like this before.

Battara · 29th March 2010, 01:18 AM

I don't know how I missed this thread. Nice Malaysian kris or sundang. Don't think it had baka-baka clamps originally. Many of these kris didn't in my observation. I have seen this type of construction before on both Moro and Malaysian sundang, especially Malaysian ones, although what makes this one unusual is that it extends to the entire bottom part of the blade.

Henk · 30th March 2010, 08:22 PM

Sajen,

I haven't seen one like this neither.

Tom, Battara,

I also think it is not a repair. There are no signs of baka-baka clamps that are missing on the blade so I completely agree with Battara that this one never had baka-baka clamps.
You say Battara, that this is not the first time you see this kind of construction. Any idea what kind of scabbard this one had original?

Gentlemen, thank you for your input.

Battara · 30th March 2010, 11:34 PM

Well, the scabbard would be one where there would not be a separate wranga like in some Moro pieces. The picture below is an example of what I am talking about (from another recent thread). Would it have had silver pieces on it - could not say without a little more research.

By the way - I doubt the wrap on it now is the original. Would have to take a personal look and some research of the region to see what might have been originally there.

Henk · 31st March 2010, 03:24 PM

Thanks Battara, for your efforts. Now I know what scabbard this one should need. The bindngs on mine aren't original as well. Just copper wire.

ThePepperSkull · 31st March 2010, 08:48 PM

I have always wondered about the top part of the scabbard/scabbard mouth on Keris Sundang Melayu. That black band -- is that horn? It reminds me of the koiguchi of a katana's saya, which is also placed at the mouth of the saya and made of black horn.

28th March 2010, 11:34 PM	#1
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	holy Toledo! Bridging the gap between khanda and kris sundang; beauty; I have long noted the resemblance of the two protrusions below a khanda/firangi type guard to those engaged by the baca baca on kris sundang. Never expected to see the khanda's extreme lagnet on a kris though. Super cool. I more suspect this is original than a repair.

30th March 2010, 11:34 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,270	Well, the scabbard would be one where there would not be a separate wranga like in some Moro pieces. The picture below is an example of what I am talking about (from another recent thread). Would it have had silver pieces on it - could not say without a little more research. By the way - I doubt the wrap on it now is the original. Would have to take a personal look and some research of the region to see what might have been originally there. Attached Images

28th March 2010, 11:41 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Hello Henk, very interesting kris, never seen something like this before.

29th March 2010, 01:18 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,270	I don't know how I missed this thread. Nice Malaysian kris or sundang. Don't think it had baka-baka clamps originally. Many of these kris didn't in my observation. I have seen this type of construction before on both Moro and Malaysian sundang, especially Malaysian ones, although what makes this one unusual is that it extends to the entire bottom part of the blade.

30th March 2010, 08:22 PM	#4
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Sajen, I haven't seen one like this neither. Tom, Battara, I also think it is not a repair. There are no signs of baka-baka clamps that are missing on the blade so I completely agree with Battara that this one never had baka-baka clamps. You say Battara, that this is not the first time you see this kind of construction. Any idea what kind of scabbard this one had original? Gentlemen, thank you for your input.

31st March 2010, 03:24 PM	#6
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Thanks Battara, for your efforts. Now I know what scabbard this one should need. The bindngs on mine aren't original as well. Just copper wire.

31st March 2010, 08:48 PM	#7
ThePepperSkull Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 338	I have always wondered about the top part of the scabbard/scabbard mouth on Keris Sundang Melayu. That black band -- is that horn? It reminds me of the koiguchi of a katana's saya, which is also placed at the mouth of the saya and made of black horn.