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26th March 2010, 12:00 PM
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According to Ann Feuerbach, she found 2 wootz blades dating back to ~8th century in the North Caucasus. No need to invoke British shear steel.
Also, "caucasians" had contacts with India and Persia well before Brits had a navy and Russia was an empire :-) |
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26th March 2010, 10:56 PM
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My example of Wootzklinge.
These Kindjal I found a few years ago at a secondhand shop. Greeting chregu |
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27th March 2010, 05:56 AM
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I have a very similar kindjal to yours, with the same pattern on the blade. At first glance, it does resemble wootz, but I do not think it is. In my opinion, these are fine pattern welded blades. I am also attaching pictures of the blade of another kindjal, which could be sham wootz, or sheer steel, not sure. Regards, Teodor |
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27th March 2010, 08:41 AM
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Interesting conversation,
Would be great to hear other opinions on whether these blades are pattern welded, sheer steel or wootz? The pattern on Chregu blade does not look mechanical to me, neither on Teodor's first blade, I think they are wootz. Teodor's second blade might be sham or sheer. I attach similar closeup of mine, and it is undoubtedly (Persian) wootz. |
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27th March 2010, 11:44 PM
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hello together
theodor believe me, I know wootz. 've Already seen from other Kindjal and Kamma wootz. It is rare but not impossible. They all had one thing in common they were of the same style. I guess South Caucasus. Greeting Chregu |
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28th March 2010, 06:15 AM
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Alex,
When you compare your blade to mine and chregu's, you can clearly see the difference. Yours is wootz, no doubt. Ours on the other hand, look quite different on closer inspection and I still think they are pattern welded. Teodor |
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28th March 2010, 08:02 AM
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Teodor,
Yes, there are differences in pattern between them. Nevertheless, the difference are in wootz pattern type in my opinion. Could it be Russian i.e. Anosov's wootz? Attached is a closeup of allegedly Zlatoust produced wootz shashka blade. There are similarities to your patterns, but still - I do not think these are typical pattern welds. Ariel, Rick what do you think? |
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