Beautiful Indian handles

BluErf · 29th May 2005, 10:45 AM

Oh, and I forgot to *drooool* at Rick's Afghani sabre...

B.I · 29th May 2005, 01:37 PM

not very clear, but almost shows the side bars. from memory, they are relatively plain with a slightly bumped rim, as you can sort of make out from the images. it definately seems southern in design, and i would assume its hails from the south, especially if you veer towards the 'langet' theory, which is plausable.

ariel · 29th May 2005, 03:12 PM

Why do you think the blade on this katar comes from re-used kris?
The idea of wavy blade is not peculiar to Indonesia: Stone has a similar kris ( p.347, Fig 424, #19). What about European Flamberges? Also re-worked Krises?

Rick · 29th May 2005, 03:43 PM

Ariel , if you look closely at the base of the blade you can see the " fullers "
(for want of a better word) that end next to the langet on either side . These are evident on the Bali keris illustrated below . Not the central deep sogokan and pecetan but the wide shallow ones that are along the edge . I would also suggest that if this blade was made expressly for a katar the mounting 'langets' would be more in line with the center line of the blade itself .

Rick · 29th May 2005, 07:19 PM

If you look closely at the close up that I've manipulated a bit you can see where the narrow part of the mounting at the base of the fleur dy lis shows a shadow on either side . These are the mostly covered channels of the sogokan and pecetan with the janur being covered by the mount .

I feel pretty certain that this is probably an old Bali blade , Bali being the longest holdout of Hinduism against the spread of Islam .

I can definitely understand the S.India-Bali connection .

Justin · 30th May 2005, 02:38 PM

Didnt the Balinese import rubys.sapphires,and other gems from India and Sri Lanka?

spiral · 31st May 2005, 10:50 PM

Outstading! love the ivory chinth on the dia chirri kukri, about the best ive seen.

Thanks for sharing!

Spiral

29th May 2005, 01:37 PM	#2
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	not very clear, but almost shows the side bars. from memory, they are relatively plain with a slightly bumped rim, as you can sort of make out from the images. it definately seems southern in design, and i would assume its hails from the south, especially if you veer towards the 'langet' theory, which is plausable. Attached Images

29th May 2005, 03:43 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Ariel , if you look closely at the base of the blade you can see the " fullers " (for want of a better word) that end next to the langet on either side . These are evident on the Bali keris illustrated below . Not the central deep sogokan and pecetan but the wide shallow ones that are along the edge . I would also suggest that if this blade was made expressly for a katar the mounting 'langets' would be more in line with the center line of the blade itself . Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 29th May 2005 at 04:03 PM.

29th May 2005, 07:19 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Furthermore .......... If you look closely at the close up that I've manipulated a bit you can see where the narrow part of the mounting at the base of the fleur dy lis shows a shadow on either side . These are the mostly covered channels of the sogokan and pecetan with the janur being covered by the mount . I feel pretty certain that this is probably an old Bali blade , Bali being the longest holdout of Hinduism against the spread of Islam . I can definitely understand the S.India-Bali connection . Attached Images

29th May 2005, 10:45 AM	#1
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Oh, and I forgot to drooool at Rick's Afghani sabre...

29th May 2005, 03:12 PM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Why do you think the blade on this katar comes from re-used kris? The idea of wavy blade is not peculiar to Indonesia: Stone has a similar kris ( p.347, Fig 424, #19). What about European Flamberges? Also re-worked Krises?

30th May 2005, 02:38 PM	#6
Justin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 178	Didnt the Balinese import rubys.sapphires,and other gems from India and Sri Lanka?

31st May 2005, 10:50 PM	#7
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Outstading! love the ivory chinth on the dia chirri kukri, about the best ive seen. Thanks for sharing! Spiral