Malay (?) keris from Ebay

PenangsangII · 22nd March 2010, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

A peninsular blade with similar kind of topographic pamor is depicted in "Den Indonesiske kris" by Karsten Sejr Jensen, on page 181 (and on page 201 a sundang in sandang walikat sheath with horn buntut and sheath mouth).

(I think it is for certain now, blades with topographic pamor are occuring not only in Madura.)

Yup... this one is certainly northern peninsula, but your earlier example was recent though no body can really be sure its so called maduran's origin....

Gustav · 22nd March 2010, 03:45 PM

Oncemore; if the blade is in good state of preservation, it is hardly possible to see the age, and this is the case regarding some keris from older collections in Europe and USA.

I think, everybody here is able to have and write down he's opinion. This is a discussion forum. Very probably the most experienced person in case of keris from Peninsula, who has give an opinion here, is DAHenkel. His oppinion was, the kris is from 40 or 50-ties, a Peninsula blade (post #7).

Well, the keris finally arrived. Both hilt and buntut have a fine patina, which stays absolutely hidden if you try to pfotograph it. The wood of the sheath is old, has a beautiful grain, old is also the horn collar. In my oppinion, when I see this keris in my hand, there are no new or recent parts in this ensemble.

The photographs from the seller are very good indeed, so only the missing view - the mouth of the sheath.

Thank you all very much.

Sajen · 23rd March 2010, 12:55 AM

See I correct that the horn collar is set in up of the sheat and enfolded the wood? So the blade sitting in the wood?

Gustav · 23rd March 2010, 10:22 AM

Yes, it's wright.

A. G. Maisey · 23rd March 2010, 01:31 PM

In my post #6 I said this:-

As always when looking at pics, I could be wrong --- but overall I don't think I am.

These most recent images posted by Gustav provide an entirely different perspective.

What I have said in previous posts is incorrect.

I was wrong.

I think this underlines what I have frequently said, that it is very difficult to appraise a keris from photographs, especially photographs on a computer screen.

It also underlines just how important it is to see the top of the ganja.

I no longer believe that this keris was made in Madura, but there are most definitely elements of Madura craftsmanship inherrent in this blade. How they got there is anybody's guess.

22nd March 2010, 03:45 PM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Oncemore; if the blade is in good state of preservation, it is hardly possible to see the age, and this is the case regarding some keris from older collections in Europe and USA. I think, everybody here is able to have and write down he's opinion. This is a discussion forum. Very probably the most experienced person in case of keris from Peninsula, who has give an opinion here, is DAHenkel. His oppinion was, the kris is from 40 or 50-ties, a Peninsula blade (post #7). Well, the keris finally arrived. Both hilt and buntut have a fine patina, which stays absolutely hidden if you try to pfotograph it. The wood of the sheath is old, has a beautiful grain, old is also the horn collar. In my oppinion, when I see this keris in my hand, there are no new or recent parts in this ensemble. The photographs from the seller are very good indeed, so only the missing view - the mouth of the sheath. Thank you all very much. Attached Images Last edited by Gustav; 23rd March 2010 at 10:21 AM.

23rd March 2010, 12:55 AM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,425	See I correct that the horn collar is set in up of the sheat and enfolded the wood? So the blade sitting in the wood?

23rd March 2010, 10:22 AM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,295	Yes, it's wright.

23rd March 2010, 01:31 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	In my post #6 I said this:- As always when looking at pics, I could be wrong --- but overall I don't think I am. These most recent images posted by Gustav provide an entirely different perspective. What I have said in previous posts is incorrect. I was wrong. I think this underlines what I have frequently said, that it is very difficult to appraise a keris from photographs, especially photographs on a computer screen. It also underlines just how important it is to see the top of the ganja. I no longer believe that this keris was made in Madura, but there are most definitely elements of Madura craftsmanship inherrent in this blade. How they got there is anybody's guess.