Age and origin of this kris!

kai · 19th March 2010, 02:17 AM

Congrats, Maurice, I like!

This is a tough one to classify for me. I'm sure it's a genuine antique (IMHO 19th c.) sword though. Pics of the scabbard with longer exposure would be interesting, too.

Can you make out wether both clamps are fastened to the hilt at all?

Any hints that the katik/gangya might be a replacement? From the pics it does look original to me - usually the holes are more evenly spaced/sized though.

Regards,
Kai

Maurice · 19th March 2010, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Congrats, Maurice, I like!

This is a tough one to classify for me. I'm sure it's a genuine antique (IMHO 19th c.) sword though. Pics of the scabbard with longer exposure would be interesting, too.

Can you make out wether both clamps are fastened to the hilt at all?

Any hints that the katik/gangya might be a replacement? From the pics it does look original to me - usually the holes are more evenly spaced/sized though.

Regards,
Kai

Thanks Kai,

The wooden scabbard consists of two main pieces: a lower part (which contains of two slabs of wood) and a wider becoming upper part (consisting out of one piece of wood) which has been sliding over the lower part, and fastened with some kind of resin!

One stirrup is still attached, and the other one shows rests of being attached in the past.

The gangya looks very smooth with the blade itself, and there is nothing to find to even doubt it would be a replacement. It is also quite thick!

I made some more images, and hope these are better!

Maurice · 20th March 2010, 06:37 PM

I found an image in a book with the same kind of smooth silver bands over the handle.

kai · 21st March 2010, 01:31 AM

Hello Maurice,

I'm far from convinced that the keris from Tammens is Sulu or done by any Moro craftsmen - looks more like another Banjar variety to me. Also the silverwork at the grip is different enough as not to be much of help to place your kris, I'm afraid.

Regards,
Kai

Maurice · 21st March 2010, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kai

Hello Maurice,

I'm far from convinced that the keris from Tammens is Sulu or done by any Moro craftsmen - looks more like another Banjar variety to me. Also the silverwork at the grip is different enough as not to be much of help to place your kris, I'm afraid.

Regards,
Kai

Hi Kai,

I totally agree with you, but I thought it would be nice to put the images of tammens in this thread, because they were the only one I could find in my books I use as reference, (give it a quick search though) with that smooth silverwork on the handle.

Best,
Maurice

Maurice · 21st March 2010, 11:07 PM

I suggest the moderators move it to the warung than?

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Maurice Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,453	moving to the warung? I suggest the moderators move it to the warung than?

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kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Congrats, Maurice, I like! This is a tough one to classify for me. I'm sure it's a genuine antique (IMHO 19th c.) sword though. Pics of the scabbard with longer exposure would be interesting, too. Can you make out wether both clamps are fastened to the hilt at all? Any hints that the katik/gangya might be a replacement? From the pics it does look original to me - usually the holes are more evenly spaced/sized though. Regards, Kai

21st March 2010, 01:31 AM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Hello Maurice, I'm far from convinced that the keris from Tammens is Sulu or done by any Moro craftsmen - looks more like another Banjar variety to me. Also the silverwork at the grip is different enough as not to be much of help to place your kris, I'm afraid. Regards, Kai