Kerises in different cultural spheres

A. G. Maisey · 3rd March 2010, 10:15 PM

Coffee is one of life's essentials.

I've had kopi luwak a number of times, in fact, one of my wife's relatives in Bali produce the stuff as a hobby, they've got some luwak (palm civet) in a big cage, they feed them the coffee beans and then produce the coffee.

As noted, it can be unbelievably expensive-- I believe that the wife's relos charge something like 7 million rupiah for it if they sell it--- but to my taste, its not really anything special. Its less bitter than some coffees, but if it was given to you blind, and you didn't know it had been through an animal's guts, you'd only think it was some different sort of coffee. Its different, but not better.

In Indonesia you can buy coffee in the supermarkets that is branded "Kopi Luwak", but its just a brand name, not the real thing.

I currently get my coffee sent to me by a small custom producer here in Sydney. I used to get a custom blend that was arabica, blue mountain, and peabody, and that was very good, but the blend they send me now is just as good, and a lot easier to get. Mostly I use a plunger, but occasionally I'll do stove top espresso. In the past I used to wait while the beans were roasted, then I'd take them home and grind them myself, but I've found that if I buy freshly ground coffee in a vacuum pack, and store it in the deep freeze section of the fridge, there is not any noticeable difference in taste.

kronckew · 4th March 2010, 06:53 AM

the last bag of beans i bought was sumatran, it was quite tasty, i think i still have some beans in the freezer. the last bag of already ground i bought as an experiment was tesco's 'value range', the cheapest in the supermarket. it was also quite tasty, i was surprised. goes to show price is not everything. i must admit to using a dark roast instant in the morning when i am half awake and stumbling around trying to start my engines. there are two things that make life worthwhile, one of them is coffee...

Boedhi Adhitya · 4th March 2010, 11:44 AM

I believe the very basic 'idea' of Kopi Luwak is the wild luwak would only pick the ripe coffee beans for his dinner. When the luwak is put on cage and feed by human, then the 'luwak-picked coffee bean' is gone.
I believe there is another method where people would herd the luwak through the coffee plantation and let the luwak picks the coffee beans.
Certainly, the luwak ingestion track would alter the coffee taste, but ripe coffee beans also important.

It is worth to note that a wood from coffee tree makes a good alternative material for keris sheath. It has mild brown colour and smooth grain.

Well, at least I mention 'keris' once

A. G. Maisey · 4th March 2010, 12:32 PM

Very possibly Boedhi. Very possibly.

If kopi luwak from cage kept luwak can be sold for 7 juta, I wonder what the value of kopi luwak from wild luwak might be?

Imagine the difficulty:- treking through the coffee groves searching for luwak droppings. That's what we could call labour intensive.

Incidentally, I did try supposedly wild kopi luwak from Sumatra a couple of times. My memory of it is that it was no better and no worse than the stuff I've tried from Bali.

Rick · 4th March 2010, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

the last bag of beans i bought was sumatran, it was quite tasty, i think i still have some beans in the freezer. the last bag of already ground i bought as an experiment was tesco's 'value range', the cheapest in the supermarket. it was also quite tasty, i was surprised. goes to show price is not everything. i must admit to using a dark roast instant in the morning when i am half awake and stumbling around trying to start my engines. there are two things that make life worthwhile, one of them is coffee...

I feel a bit less shame .

Diederich French Roast is our staple K cup .

asomotif · 4th March 2010, 08:47 PM

Stumbled into this weird thread...

When will Nespresso present their special kopi Luwak cups

Ps.

Quote:

Keurig .

What is "keurig" ?
In dutch it means : decent

Rick · 4th March 2010, 11:25 PM

Keurig is the name of this Dutch 1 cup kopi maker .
The name aptly describes the end product .. IMO .

Well, if we are going to Snowmen now; let me express my sentiments about this Winter :

asomotif · 5th March 2010, 12:04 AM

Auch !

Don't let my daughter see this.
You killed the snowman.
I bet you also let him melt down slowly...

Rick · 5th March 2010, 02:24 AM

The faster the better my friend .

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3rd March 2010, 10:15 PM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Coffee is one of life's essentials. I've had kopi luwak a number of times, in fact, one of my wife's relatives in Bali produce the stuff as a hobby, they've got some luwak (palm civet) in a big cage, they feed them the coffee beans and then produce the coffee. As noted, it can be unbelievably expensive-- I believe that the wife's relos charge something like 7 million rupiah for it if they sell it--- but to my taste, its not really anything special. Its less bitter than some coffees, but if it was given to you blind, and you didn't know it had been through an animal's guts, you'd only think it was some different sort of coffee. Its different, but not better. In Indonesia you can buy coffee in the supermarkets that is branded "Kopi Luwak", but its just a brand name, not the real thing. I currently get my coffee sent to me by a small custom producer here in Sydney. I used to get a custom blend that was arabica, blue mountain, and peabody, and that was very good, but the blend they send me now is just as good, and a lot easier to get. Mostly I use a plunger, but occasionally I'll do stove top espresso. In the past I used to wait while the beans were roasted, then I'd take them home and grind them myself, but I've found that if I buy freshly ground coffee in a vacuum pack, and store it in the deep freeze section of the fridge, there is not any noticeable difference in taste.

4th March 2010, 06:53 AM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,238	the last bag of beans i bought was sumatran, it was quite tasty, i think i still have some beans in the freezer. the last bag of already ground i bought as an experiment was tesco's 'value range', the cheapest in the supermarket. it was also quite tasty, i was surprised. goes to show price is not everything. i must admit to using a dark roast instant in the morning when i am half awake and stumbling around trying to start my engines. there are two things that make life worthwhile, one of them is coffee...

4th March 2010, 11:44 AM	#3
Boedhi Adhitya Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 103	I believe the very basic 'idea' of Kopi Luwak is the wild luwak would only pick the ripe coffee beans for his dinner. When the luwak is put on cage and feed by human, then the 'luwak-picked coffee bean' is gone. I believe there is another method where people would herd the luwak through the coffee plantation and let the luwak picks the coffee beans. Certainly, the luwak ingestion track would alter the coffee taste, but ripe coffee beans also important. It is worth to note that a wood from coffee tree makes a good alternative material for keris sheath. It has mild brown colour and smooth grain. Well, at least I mention 'keris' once

4th March 2010, 12:32 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,047	Very possibly Boedhi. Very possibly. If kopi luwak from cage kept luwak can be sold for 7 juta, I wonder what the value of kopi luwak from wild luwak might be? Imagine the difficulty:- treking through the coffee groves searching for luwak droppings. That's what we could call labour intensive. Incidentally, I did try supposedly wild kopi luwak from Sumatra a couple of times. My memory of it is that it was no better and no worse than the stuff I've tried from Bali.

5th March 2010, 12:04 AM	#8
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,235	Auch ! Don't let my daughter see this. You killed the snowman. I bet you also let him melt down slowly...

5th March 2010, 02:24 AM	#9
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	The faster the better my friend .