An 8-year journey

Marcokeris · 28th February 2010, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Marco, if you are questioning the fact that there is no uwer on this keris i must point out that you will find many old Bali Keris without them. For my own personal taste i also like having a uwer on my keris, but i do not think that it is a requirement for a complete keris, especially when the flow of the ensemble is well matched. Sometimes what we Westerners have grown a custom to does not actually reflect the ethnographic reality.

David i agree with you...but if "properly dressed" means "complete dressed" i see that there is not the ring under the hit. (Of course is better to see no rings that ...for example.. a Jawa/Sumatra ring in a Lombok/Balì keris... and this uncorrect combination is rather easy to see in Western sellers or in Western museum)

David · 28th February 2010, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris

David i agree with you...but if "properly dressed" means "complete dressed" i see that there is not the ring under the hit. (Of course is better to see no rings that ...for example.. a Jawa/Sumatra ring in a Lombok/Balì keris... and this uncorrect combination is rather easy to see in Western sellers or in Western museum)

Marco, i am not yet convinced that a uwer must be present for a Balinese keris to be "properly dressed" or "completely dressed" so i do not think that you do agree with me. That is what i am saying.

asomotif · 28th February 2010, 10:47 PM

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between the two museums most likely the most comprehensive collections of keris.

Auch !, this seems to be a thread whith some disagreements

1. The tropenmuseum has a rather extensive database.
2. the items are properly named and most of the dated.
3. the pictures give the possibility to zoom in on the object, which is failing at RMV.

Look at the 2 examples where I zoomed in on the pictures.

http://collectie.tropenmuseum.nl/nBa...=&culturenode=

http://collectie.tropenmuseum.nl/nBa...=&culturenode=

BluErf · 1st March 2010, 01:13 PM

Hmmm, one with uwer, one without.

Both with ganja sticking out a bit... I did see a couple others with ganja sticking out slightly, but there were also 1 or 2 which seemed more or less flush with the sheath.

asomotif · 1st March 2010, 09:05 PM

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Hmmm, one with uwer, one without

I did a quick and rough check on the Tropenmuseum collection.
Most keris on pictures being worn by balinese people have an uwer.
A lot of keris in their collection don't have uwer's.

The Tropenmuseum website is able to zoom in on the pictures.
If you are mathematical / systematical, you can get some info from their collection.

1st March 2010, 01:13 PM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Hmmm, one with uwer, one without. Both with ganja sticking out a bit... I did see a couple others with ganja sticking out slightly, but there were also 1 or 2 which seemed more or less flush with the sheath.