Small Sumatra keris

Gustav · 15th February 2010, 07:25 AM

Sajen, did you change the pendokok? Why?

BluErf · 15th February 2010, 07:33 AM

Likely to be a Riau keris. The buntut probably have the same pattern as the throat before ending in a rounded chape.

Sajen · 15th February 2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BluErf

Likely to be a Riau keris. The buntut probably have the same pattern as the throat before ending in a rounded chape.

Thank you Kai Wee, this make sense, so I will attach here also a ring with white buffalo horn and a rounded end piece from black horn.

Regards,

Detlef

Alam Shah · 15th February 2010, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

Sajen, did you change the pendokok? Why?

The pendokok is a Sumbawa form.. a lotus form would look better, imho.

Sajen, that's a nice piece, congratulations.. the blade need cleaning, though.

Sajen · 15th February 2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

The pendokok is a Sumbawa form.. a lotus form would look better, imho.

Sajen, that's a nice piece, congratulations.. the blade need cleaning, though.

Hi Alam,

thank you for comment, yes, the pendokok is from Sumbawa. What do you think about the "original" one. The blade will get a cleaning and a warangan also.

Detlef

rasdan · 15th February 2010, 05:25 PM

I think this a probably Northern Peninsular keris from Kedah, Perlis or North Perak. The characteristics are: The sampir looks like Riau one, and the "batang sarung" tapers a bit and the buntut is in the "Buntut Lipas" form and the hilt is Jawa Demam that is a bit like the Pattani Pekaka. Some keris from that region uses flat buntut as well. The tips of the sampir are normally triangular like a Terengganu one. However, if somebody choses to take a Riau keris and modify it into this form it nobody can really tell for sure.

I attached a picture of a keris from Pendang, Kedah that i grab from the net. Note the pendongkok looks very Sumatran, but this one is a typical type found on Northern Peninsular keris. The tips of the sampir are rather extreme.

Sajen · 15th February 2010, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rasdan

I think this a probably Northern Peninsular keris from Kedah, Perlis or North Perak. The characteristics are: The sampir looks like Riau one, and the "batang sarung" tapers a bit and the buntut is in the "Buntut Lipas" form and the hilt is Jawa Demam that is a bit like the Pattani Pekaka. Some keris from that region uses flat buntut as well. The tips of the sampir are normally triangular like a Terengganu one. However, if somebody choses to take a Riau keris and modify it into this form it nobody can really tell for sure.

I attached a picture of a keris from Pendang, Kedah that i grab from the net. Note the pendongkok looks very Sumatran, but this one is a typical type found on Northern Peninsular keris. The tips of the sampir are rather extreme.

Thank you Rasdan for your input. I have a similar keris to yours and the sampir of this one is very similar to my new one. So coming up the question in #1.
BTW, what do you think about the "original" pendokok?

Regards,

Detlef

BluErf · 16th February 2010, 01:36 AM

The "original" is quite unusual, but has Peninsula flavour, especially the petals. But as we move down the pendoko to the stem, it looks stranger and stranger.

Where did you get this pendoko?

I have a similar keris to Radan's example. Thought this was a Pattani "interpretation" of a Riau keris.

I have another Malay keris which we suspect to be from Kedah, Pahang or Perak. Ok it's a v large area, but it is really through a process of elimination that these states were left as the likely candidates for the keris.

As to Sajen's keris, I have mentioned that it is likely Riau, but this keris is one of those really grey ones. But looking at it again, it could very well be Terengganu. Some more pics to follow.

BluErf · 16th February 2010, 01:40 AM

A couple of Terengganu examples. Incidentally, both are small-sized, like Sajen's.

Sajen · 16th February 2010, 10:55 PM

[QUOTE=BluErf]The "original" is quite unusual, but has Peninsula flavour, especially the petals. But as we move down the pendoko to the stem, it looks stranger and stranger.

Where did you get this pendoko?

Like Alam guessing before it's a Sumbawa pendokok, I get it with a Sumbawa keris, but it have been to small for the handle.

Alam Shah · 16th February 2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

... What do you think about the "original" one. The blade will get a cleaning and a warangan also.

Detlef

The "original" pendokok/mendak/hilt ring that comes with the piece, seems like a replacement.. BluErf's hilt ring seems like a good fitting for your piece..
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...id=54668&stc=1

Sajen · 16th February 2010, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Alam Shah

The "original" pendokok/mendak/hilt ring that comes with the piece, seems like a replacement.. BluErf's hilt ring seems like a good fitting for your piece..
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...id=54668&stc=1

This have been my feeling also that the pendokok which coming with the keris have been a replacement. I will search for a better and adequate one.

Sajen · 16th February 2010, 11:08 PM

Many thank's to Kai Wee, Alam and Rasdan for all the informations and pictures of beautiful examples of this region.

Sajen · 24th April 2010, 04:59 PM

Here the pictures after the restore work at the sheat. Since I don't have had bone or ivory it was used translucent horn for the before white rings.
What do you think: is the form of the buntut correct?

Sajen · 15th February 2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

Sajen, did you change the pendokok? Why?

Hello Gustav,

yes I have changed because the "original" seems a little bit to small but I am also not happy with this one, like Alam write it's a Sumbawa one. I hope I found a lotus pendokok.

15th February 2010, 05:25 PM	#6
rasdan Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kuala Lumpur Posts: 368	I think this a probably Northern Peninsular keris from Kedah, Perlis or North Perak. The characteristics are: The sampir looks like Riau one, and the "batang sarung" tapers a bit and the buntut is in the "Buntut Lipas" form and the hilt is Jawa Demam that is a bit like the Pattani Pekaka. Some keris from that region uses flat buntut as well. The tips of the sampir are normally triangular like a Terengganu one. However, if somebody choses to take a Riau keris and modify it into this form it nobody can really tell for sure. I attached a picture of a keris from Pendang, Kedah that i grab from the net. Note the pendongkok looks very Sumatran, but this one is a typical type found on Northern Peninsular keris. The tips of the sampir are rather extreme. Attached Images

16th February 2010, 01:36 AM	#8
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	The "original" is quite unusual, but has Peninsula flavour, especially the petals. But as we move down the pendoko to the stem, it looks stranger and stranger. Where did you get this pendoko? I have a similar keris to Radan's example. Thought this was a Pattani "interpretation" of a Riau keris. I have another Malay keris which we suspect to be from Kedah, Pahang or Perak. Ok it's a v large area, but it is really through a process of elimination that these states were left as the likely candidates for the keris. As to Sajen's keris, I have mentioned that it is likely Riau, but this keris is one of those really grey ones. But looking at it again, it could very well be Terengganu. Some more pics to follow. Attached Images

16th February 2010, 01:40 AM	#9
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	A couple of Terengganu examples. Incidentally, both are small-sized, like Sajen's. Attached Images

24th April 2010, 04:59 PM	#14
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Here the pictures after the restore work at the sheat. Since I don't have had bone or ivory it was used translucent horn for the before white rings. What do you think: is the form of the buntut correct? Attached Images

15th February 2010, 07:25 AM	#1
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,273	Sajen, did you change the pendokok? Why?

15th February 2010, 07:33 AM	#2
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Likely to be a Riau keris. The buntut probably have the same pattern as the throat before ending in a rounded chape.

16th February 2010, 10:55 PM	#10
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	[QUOTE=BluErf]The "original" is quite unusual, but has Peninsula flavour, especially the petals. But as we move down the pendoko to the stem, it looks stranger and stranger. Where did you get this pendoko? Like Alam guessing before it's a Sumbawa pendokok, I get it with a Sumbawa keris, but it have been to small for the handle.

16th February 2010, 11:08 PM	#13
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,164	Many thank's to Kai Wee, Alam and Rasdan for all the informations and pictures of beautiful examples of this region.