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asomotif · 7th December 2009, 11:06 PM

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There is a Dutch explanation that i can only understand part of, but i don't see any reference to peacocks. Perhaps our Dutch speakers can find some clues in it.

David,

Post the text, and I will see if I can translate it into logical english

David · 8th December 2009, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

David,

Post the text, and I will see if I can translate it into logical english

Just watch the video. The text runs along the top as the dance progresses.

asomotif · 8th December 2009, 07:40 AM

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The text runs along the top as the dance progresses.

Ok, not a very revealing translation I think.

Karonsih is a dance about two lovers.
Prince Panjia Asmara Bangu and princes Sekat Taji are seprated by war.
He is called to defend his country far away (abroad?)
The princes stays behind wondering if she will ever see him alive.
One day the prince returns unexpected.
The greet eachother intimately and enjoy each others presence.
They promise to be faitfull to each other and live long an happily ever after.

David · 8th December 2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Ok, not a very revealing translation I think.

Yes, i see what you mean. No line about how we love each other so much that we will now turn into a two-headed peacock or something like that.

But at least you got to watch a pretty dance and get yourself some culture.

A. G. Maisey · 8th December 2009, 01:40 PM

David, this is a well known folk tale. Its been worked for the dance, and as I have said, only fairly recently.

The actual name "karonsih" I know as a name only and don't know the precise meaning, but the word is probably composed of "ka", "ron", & "sih". "Sih" means love or favour, "ron" is leaf, "ka" is probably an abbreviation of "saka" which means "from" or "because of" , so "karonsih" probably carries a meaning of something like "because of love", but I'm only guessing.

I guess its possible that a two headed peacock as a design motif could attract popular imagination and be given the name "karonsih", but my guess for the original intent of the two heads would be that it was to designate something a little more of a socio-religious nature, as in the two headed garudas.

Still, my interest is firmly focussed on Amuk Murugul's source and his archaic spelling. I really would like to know the place where he got information that I feel is pretty detailed, most especially in the ID of Gatot Koco.

8th December 2009, 01:40 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	David, this is a well known folk tale. Its been worked for the dance, and as I have said, only fairly recently. The actual name "karonsih" I know as a name only and don't know the precise meaning, but the word is probably composed of "ka", "ron", & "sih". "Sih" means love or favour, "ron" is leaf, "ka" is probably an abbreviation of "saka" which means "from" or "because of" , so "karonsih" probably carries a meaning of something like "because of love", but I'm only guessing. I guess its possible that a two headed peacock as a design motif could attract popular imagination and be given the name "karonsih", but my guess for the original intent of the two heads would be that it was to designate something a little more of a socio-religious nature, as in the two headed garudas. Still, my interest is firmly focussed on Amuk Murugul's source and his archaic spelling. I really would like to know the place where he got information that I feel is pretty detailed, most especially in the ID of Gatot Koco.