A swept hilt sword for Christmas

fernando · 25th November 2009, 05:23 PM

Thanks a lot for your input, guys.
Much obliged for the treatise on these things, Jim.
Looking ar Norman's, instead of having managed to 'select' one of his pommel types, my eyes fell on sword of plate 19, (between pages 112-113), where a pommel similar to mine (?) is mounted. Such sword is dated second quarter XVI century.
You will pardon me, but i decided to (also) consult the 'competition' (MyArmoury). The opinnion is that the blade of my rapier corresponds to Oakeshott type XIX , and would be dated around 1590.
It was also confirmed that it is a left hander. I am surprised that the (knowledged) seller didn't point out this detail, like most would do. Something that wouldn't be worth of note to many, but indeed an added value in collecting termns, in my understanding.
Fernando

fernando · 25th November 2009, 06:18 PM

Ah, i would like to mention, for general perusal that, these hilts in Portugal (an Spain) are called 'lace' hilts ( Laço - Lazo).
I like this naming.
Fernando

Jim McDougall · 27th November 2009, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fernando

Thanks a lot for your input, guys.
Much obliged for the treatise on these things, Jim.
Looking ar Norman's, instead of having managed to 'select' one of his pommel types, my eyes fell on sword of plate 19, (between pages 112-113), where a pommel similar to mine (?) is mounted. Such sword is dated second quarter XVI century.
You will pardon me, but i decided to (also) consult the 'competition' (MyArmoury). The opinnion is that the blade of my rapier corresponds to Oakeshott type XIX , and would be dated around 1590.
It was also confirmed that it is a left hander. I am surprised that the (knowledged) seller didn't point out this detail, like most would do. Something that wouldn't be worth of note to many, but indeed an added value in collecting termns, in my understanding.
Fernando

Good call on checking 'My Armoury', with some very useful resources, and the notes in Oakeshott and left hander info Fernando. This is indeed good support strengthening the earlier date, which well corresponds to the unusual configuration of these 'sickle marks'. Outstanding !!!!

All the best,
Jim

fernando · 28th December 2009, 02:06 PM

I got the thing well before christmas; but only had a quick look and wraped it back to add to the gifts pile.
Now i can handle it. A considerable weight (1,300 Kg.) ... at least for me, being no Tarzan. Edges rather sharp. Beautiful pommel.
... And indeed a left hander

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I know nothing about (these) swords, but something in its swept enhance reminds me of certain Schianovas

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This to say that this specimen would indeed be Italian.

Fernando

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cornelistromp · 30th December 2009, 09:25 AM

Hi Fernando,

congratulations with your very nice and extremely rare early rapier.

I specialy really love it because Im a lefthander myself

I found a similair one, a ground find in Holland. It is dated 1560-1570 and probably Dutch.
I also think your rapier is of the third quarter of the 16thC.

best regards

fernando · 3rd January 2010, 01:22 PM

Thank you so much for your input, Cornelis

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Ik waardeer het werkelijk

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I am so pleased to see a sword with a design similar to mine!
Now i have a point of reference.
Thanks once again.
Fernando

28th December 2009, 02:06 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I got the thing well before christmas; but only had a quick look and wraped it back to add to the gifts pile. Now i can handle it. A considerable weight (1,300 Kg.) ... at least for me, being no Tarzan. Edges rather sharp. Beautiful pommel. ... And indeed a left hander . I know nothing about (these) swords, but something in its swept enhance reminds me of certain Schianovas . This to say that this specimen would indeed be Italian. Fernando . Attached Images

30th December 2009, 09:25 AM	#5
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	Hi Fernando, congratulations with your very nice and extremely rare early rapier. I specialy really love it because Im a lefthander myself I found a similair one, a ground find in Holland. It is dated 1560-1570 and probably Dutch. I also think your rapier is of the third quarter of the 16thC. best regards Attached Images

25th November 2009, 05:23 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks a lot for your input, guys. Much obliged for the treatise on these things, Jim. Looking ar Norman's, instead of having managed to 'select' one of his pommel types, my eyes fell on sword of plate 19, (between pages 112-113), where a pommel similar to mine (?) is mounted. Such sword is dated second quarter XVI century. You will pardon me, but i decided to (also) consult the 'competition' (MyArmoury). The opinnion is that the blade of my rapier corresponds to Oakeshott type XIX , and would be dated around 1590. It was also confirmed that it is a left hander. I am surprised that the (knowledged) seller didn't point out this detail, like most would do. Something that wouldn't be worth of note to many, but indeed an added value in collecting termns, in my understanding. Fernando

25th November 2009, 06:18 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Ah, i would like to mention, for general perusal that, these hilts in Portugal (an Spain) are called 'lace' hilts ( Laço - Lazo). I like this naming. Fernando

3rd January 2010, 01:22 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you so much for your input, Cornelis . Ik waardeer het werkelijk . I am so pleased to see a sword with a design similar to mine! Now i have a point of reference. Thanks once again. Fernando