Sumatran / Bugis ID

David · 4th November 2009, 03:47 PM

I was really only address the suggestion that there are "vivid differences" (as in visual differences) between meteoric and terrestrial nickel pamor. I don't think there are and i am not so sure that even the "experts" can tell based on visual observation alone. In fact in our discussions here there was even a question as to whether scientific structural analysis can tell the difference as any structure inheerent to meteorite would be destroyed in the forging process. So i personally take any assertion that a pamor is meteoric with a huge grain of salt regardless of the amount of expertise the assessor might have.

Moshah · 4th November 2009, 04:35 PM

Agreeable, David.

Some people said that the meteorite pamor can be traced not only looking, but by gently touch it (basically, touch the keris' surface), and it is meteorite if it's texture against keris' texture is rough.

I would never be sure, nor believing everything i heard, but when there is no conclusion at hand, we need something to hang on to until we find the right answer...

Rick · 4th November 2009, 04:40 PM

Dr Hrisoulas wrote quite an interesting post on Meteoric pamor .
Might be worth sifting through again .

This is from the Classics thread, top of the page .
http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001122.html

Moshah · 4th November 2009, 05:58 PM

Wow Rick, thanks for the link!

That was deep and technical. But really informative ...

Moshah · 5th November 2009, 02:14 AM

After reading the threads of sumbawa keris by Kai Wee, I think khalifah muda could be right. It is perhaps a sumbawa piece.

Gustav's triple sogokan and Andi's (sipakatuo) blade also looks like a close call, and shows me how diverse a sumbawa can be, in styles and dapurs.

4th November 2009, 03:47 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	I was really only address the suggestion that there are "vivid differences" (as in visual differences) between meteoric and terrestrial nickel pamor. I don't think there are and i am not so sure that even the "experts" can tell based on visual observation alone. In fact in our discussions here there was even a question as to whether scientific structural analysis can tell the difference as any structure inheerent to meteorite would be destroyed in the forging process. So i personally take any assertion that a pamor is meteoric with a huge grain of salt regardless of the amount of expertise the assessor might have.

4th November 2009, 04:35 PM	#2
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Agreeable, David. Some people said that the meteorite pamor can be traced not only looking, but by gently touch it (basically, touch the keris' surface), and it is meteorite if it's texture against keris' texture is rough. I would never be sure, nor believing everything i heard, but when there is no conclusion at hand, we need something to hang on to until we find the right answer...

4th November 2009, 04:40 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Dr Hrisoulas wrote quite an interesting post on Meteoric pamor . Might be worth sifting through again . This is from the Classics thread, top of the page . http://www.vikingsword.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001122.html

4th November 2009, 05:58 PM	#4
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	Wow Rick, thanks for the link! That was deep and technical. But really informative ...

5th November 2009, 02:14 AM	#5
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	After reading the threads of sumbawa keris by Kai Wee, I think khalifah muda could be right. It is perhaps a sumbawa piece. Gustav's triple sogokan and Andi's (sipakatuo) blade also looks like a close call, and shows me how diverse a sumbawa can be, in styles and dapurs.