Gold Cross on top of Pesi

Moshah · 1st November 2009, 07:14 PM

In my opinion, if it was really for talismanic value, and to be kept unseen, I guess the owner can't simply send his keris to people for cleaning and warangan purposes then.

It could be a symbol of X, instead of +. A reference to PB X, perhaps?

Naga Sasra · 1st November 2009, 09:13 PM

Thank you all for your participation and the correct translation, I do understand why Alan wants to stay out of this discussion.

The way I am looking at it presently is that the cross have a certain talismanic value by a part of the community. This answers the why, however this leave yet more questions as an example.

Who was or is that part of the community, was it a certain educational background, was it people connected to the royalty, was it something that was added to enhance the perceived value, or something entirely different?

When in time was this done, is it still done?

Where was this procedure most prevelent, is it mostly done in Solo?

What is the connection that will bring all this information together?

Maybe there is a connection to PB X

Sorry, lots of questions yet to be answered. everyone please join in.

Gustav · 3rd November 2009, 12:28 PM

Only one thing, pesi Tapak Jalak occurs also in Sumatra.

Rick · 4th November 2009, 05:02 PM

Hi Erik, good to see you here .

Perhaps an examination of the strata of Javanese social structure is in order to further the search for significance .

This is a subject I am pretty unfamiliar with .

Maybe a secret society , a priest class, a Healer .... ?

Or just a talisman for the affluent ?

khalifah muda · 5th November 2009, 07:43 AM

the plus sign at the pesi:

"....oleh sebagian masyarakat dianggap mempunyai tuah tertentu."

direct translation".....within a cluster (minority/half) of the community that it holds a certain luck"

Certain luck is very vague. Maybe there's luck for its owner for his/her embarkation in anything he/she do.

Luck charm???

Gustav · 5th November 2009, 07:43 PM

We probably should at first ask and learn to know, what Jalak and Tapak Jalak means for Indonesians. Then we possibly were able to come a little bit closer to this sign on pesi.

A similar sign appears on the gonjo of the beautiful keris of Blue Erf: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...warriors+keris

khalifah muda · 6th November 2009, 02:59 AM

Hi Gustav,

The intention of its previous owner or empu is similar for Blue Erf keris which is luck charm.

Definition of Tapak Jalak
Tapak = Steps or langkah which is equal to moves in pencak silat.
Jalak = Is the term for the cross sign.

In pencak silat/ninja there are moves for tapak jalak....crossing legs while doing stances or movement from point to point.

Regards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

We probably should at first ask and learn to know, what Jalak and Tapak Jalak means for Indonesians. Then we possibly were able to come a little bit closer to this sign on pesi.

A similar sign appears on the gonjo of the beautiful keris of Blue Erf: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...warriors+keris

1st November 2009, 07:14 PM	#1
Moshah Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 171	In my opinion, if it was really for talismanic value, and to be kept unseen, I guess the owner can't simply send his keris to people for cleaning and warangan purposes then. It could be a symbol of X, instead of +. A reference to PB X, perhaps?

1st November 2009, 09:13 PM	#2
Naga Sasra Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Boca Raton, Florida, USA Posts: 108	Thank you all for your participation and the correct translation, I do understand why Alan wants to stay out of this discussion. The way I am looking at it presently is that the cross have a certain talismanic value by a part of the community. This answers the why, however this leave yet more questions as an example. Who was or is that part of the community, was it a certain educational background, was it people connected to the royalty, was it something that was added to enhance the perceived value, or something entirely different? When in time was this done, is it still done? Where was this procedure most prevelent, is it mostly done in Solo? What is the connection that will bring all this information together? Maybe there is a connection to PB X Sorry, lots of questions yet to be answered. everyone please join in.

3rd November 2009, 12:28 PM	#3
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,299	Only one thing, pesi Tapak Jalak occurs also in Sumatra.

4th November 2009, 05:02 PM	#4
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,378	Hi Erik, good to see you here . Perhaps an examination of the strata of Javanese social structure is in order to further the search for significance . This is a subject I am pretty unfamiliar with . Maybe a secret society , a priest class, a Healer .... ? Or just a talisman for the affluent ?

5th November 2009, 07:43 AM	#5
khalifah muda Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 54	the plus sign at the pesi: "....oleh sebagian masyarakat dianggap mempunyai tuah tertentu." direct translation".....within a cluster (minority/half) of the community that it holds a certain luck" Certain luck is very vague. Maybe there's luck for its owner for his/her embarkation in anything he/she do. Luck charm???

5th November 2009, 07:43 PM	#6
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,299	We probably should at first ask and learn to know, what Jalak and Tapak Jalak means for Indonesians. Then we possibly were able to come a little bit closer to this sign on pesi. A similar sign appears on the gonjo of the beautiful keris of Blue Erf: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...warriors+keris