Gallery "Arms and Uniforms in Poland" (picture intensive thread)

Matchlock · 24th October 2009, 03:15 AM

4. A very rare double wheel lock over and under barrel South German (Saxony?) long pistol, ca. 1595-1610.

Matchlock · 24th October 2009, 03:18 AM

5. A fine wheel lock long pistol, most probably made for a guardsman of the Electors of Saxony, ca. 1610.

Matchlock · 24th October 2009, 03:20 AM

6. Another fine and long wheel lock pistol presumably Saxony, ca. 1615-20, the trigger guard now missing.

Dear Michal, if you think it is possible to get better and more detailed photos of these guns, including copies of what the inventory has on them, please let me know. Any help would me much appreciated and all costs would, of course, be made up for.

Best wishes from Lower Bavaria,
Michael

Matchlock · 24th October 2009, 03:29 AM

The characteristic thickly roped (writhen) iron edges are found on late Maximilian and later suits of armor of the first half of the 16th century.

Michael

Matchlock · 24th October 2009, 03:42 AM

I almost overlooked this, it is displayed at the bottom of this showcase.

Of this item, too, photos and additional information would be very, very welcome!

Matchlock · 24th October 2009, 04:36 AM

There are quite some similar specimens of this type of Hunting Volley Rifles known, most of them still mounted on their original painted two wheel carriages.

The one from the Krakau National Museum that Michal kindly posted here

(first image below) is one of the very few fired by means of a wheel lock mechanism while most surviving samples, their number of rifled barrels ranging from 7-9, use the more advanced but still contemporary flintlock.

The bunch of barrels of some of the flintlock specimen are signed by their maker, Valtin (sic! for Valentin) Muth à Zerbst, East Germany. One signed seven barrel example, the back sight missing, was sold from the Franconian armory of the Counts Schenk von Stauffenberg, Sotheby's, July 10, 2002 (see scans below).

Best,
Michael

wolviex · 24th October 2009, 10:35 AM

Thank you Matchlock for your input!

To be honest

it's too many questions to answer them at once! Well, I'm rather edged weapons guy, so I need to look at some papers at work to answer you, so please be patiente, I'll get back to you on Monday (hopefully).

Though - it would be much easier if you could pack yourself and buy a ticket for a few days to Krakow/Krakau to see it on your own eyes and to talk with guns curator in person

. Judging from your posts you could have a great time here in the museum.

And just to make you satisfy for the weekend few more pictures of one of the pistols you liked so much

24th October 2009, 03:15 AM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A Saxon? Double Wheel Lock Over And Under Barrel Pistol, ca. 1595-10 4. A very rare double wheel lock over and under barrel South German (Saxony?) long pistol, ca. 1595-1610. Attached Images

24th October 2009, 03:18 AM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A Saxon? Wheel Lock Pistol, ca. 1610 5. A fine wheel lock long pistol, most probably made for a guardsman of the Electors of Saxony, ca. 1610. Attached Images

24th October 2009, 03:20 AM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A Fine Saxon? Wheel Lock Long Pistol, ca. 1615-20 6. Another fine and long wheel lock pistol presumably Saxony, ca. 1615-20, the trigger guard now missing. Dear Michal, if you think it is possible to get better and more detailed photos of these guns, including copies of what the inventory has on them, please let me know. Any help would me much appreciated and all costs would, of course, be made up for. Best wishes from Lower Bavaria, Michael Attached Images

24th October 2009, 03:29 AM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A Very Rare Jousting Saddle, ca. 1525-50 The characteristic thickly roped (writhen) iron edges are found on late Maximilian and later suits of armor of the first half of the 16th century. Michael Attached Images

24th October 2009, 03:42 AM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	An 18th Century Flintlock Gun Mounted With a Fine ca. 1530 Italian Arqebus Barrel I almost overlooked this, it is displayed at the bottom of this showcase. Of this item, too, photos and additional information would be very, very welcome! Attached Images

24th October 2009, 04:36 AM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	A Very Unusual 9 Barrel Volley Hunting Rifle (!), East German, Zerbst?, ca. 1670-80 There are quite some similar specimens of this type of Hunting Volley Rifles known, most of them still mounted on their original painted two wheel carriages. The one from the Krakau National Museum that Michal kindly posted here (first image below) is one of the very few fired by means of a wheel lock mechanism while most surviving samples, their number of rifled barrels ranging from 7-9, use the more advanced but still contemporary flintlock. The bunch of barrels of some of the flintlock specimen are signed by their maker, Valtin (sic! for Valentin) Muth à Zerbst, East Germany. One signed seven barrel example, the back sight missing, was sold from the Franconian armory of the Counts Schenk von Stauffenberg, Sotheby's, July 10, 2002 (see scans below). Best, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 24th October 2009 at 07:08 PM.

24th October 2009, 10:35 AM	#7
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	Thank you Matchlock for your input! To be honest it's too many questions to answer them at once! Well, I'm rather edged weapons guy, so I need to look at some papers at work to answer you, so please be patiente, I'll get back to you on Monday (hopefully). Though - it would be much easier if you could pack yourself and buy a ticket for a few days to Krakow/Krakau to see it on your own eyes and to talk with guns curator in person . Judging from your posts you could have a great time here in the museum. And just to make you satisfy for the weekend few more pictures of one of the pistols you liked so much Attached Images