Bird-head Panabas

David · 11th October 2009, 02:10 PM

The motifs on the silver bands look suspiciously Indonesian to me.

Nathaniel · 11th October 2009, 04:44 PM

Any pictures of the whole piece? Blade Dimensions? Thanks for sharing

Lee · 11th October 2009, 08:52 PM

Thanks to those who have commented thus far. I will drop some dimensions when I post pictures of the blade. I do not have overall pictures or detail pictures of the blade yet. But I do plead guilty to withholding mention of the nature of the blade for just a little bit longer as once one sees this blade, their opinion on this piece is likely to be set.

Lee · 12th October 2009, 07:04 PM

Two Ricks here Lee .

Here's this Rick's opinion .

Blade length: 23 3/4 inches
Overall weight: 1.2 kg

I'm not sure Lee, sure looks like a Panabas with perhaps a swapped out Thai handle; married piece ?

AFAIK The Moro peoples never did hilt work such as this ...

But there's something a bit strange about the 'Panabas' blade also ...

Rick · 12th October 2009, 11:51 PM

Sorry Lee, looks like I hit the edit bar when I meant to hit quote .

Please excuse .

It's been a long and very lousy day ..

Andrew · 13th October 2009, 03:33 AM

I don't think that hilt is Thai or Burmese, Lee. Some similarities to silverwork of the area, but different.

Interesting item.

Lee · 14th October 2009, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee

But there's something a bit strange about the 'Panabas' blade also

Here is a closeup of the fretwork towards the tip of the blade. It is quite crisp, though not overly so, and I wonder whether it dates to the forging of the blade or may be contemporary with the handle.

hideyoshi · 14th October 2009, 03:56 PM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=panabas

RSWORD · 15th October 2009, 01:20 AM

Lee,

Hideyoshi has good eyes not only to recognize the similarity of blade shape between his example and yours but also notice that your example most probably has a twist core central panel like that on Hideyoshi. You can see the clear line of demarcation and hints of a twisted pattern in between those lines. With this blade being twistcore and of general panabas shape, I strongly suspect the blade is Moro and the hilt is a later add on from who knows where. Very neat blade and you don't see twistcore panabai very often!

11th October 2009, 08:52 PM	#3
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 940	Guilty Plea Thanks to those who have commented thus far. I will drop some dimensions when I post pictures of the blade. I do not have overall pictures or detail pictures of the blade yet. But I do plead guilty to withholding mention of the nature of the blade for just a little bit longer as once one sees this blade, their opinion on this piece is likely to be set.

12th October 2009, 07:04 PM	#4
Lee EAAF Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Upstate New York, USA Posts: 940	Rick, do you know what I'm thinking? Two Ricks here Lee . Here's this Rick's opinion . Blade length: 23 3/4 inches Overall weight: 1.2 kg I'm not sure Lee, sure looks like a Panabas with perhaps a swapped out Thai handle; married piece ? AFAIK The Moro peoples never did hilt work such as this ... But there's something a bit strange about the 'Panabas' blade also ... Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 12th October 2009 at 11:41 PM.

12th October 2009, 11:51 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	DOH !!! Sorry Lee, looks like I hit the edit bar when I meant to hit quote . Please excuse . It's been a long and very lousy day ..

14th October 2009, 03:56 PM	#8
hideyoshi Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 58	panabas http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=panabas Attached Images

11th October 2009, 02:10 PM	#1
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,229	The motifs on the silver bands look suspiciously Indonesian to me.

11th October 2009, 04:44 PM	#2
Nathaniel Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 865	Any pictures of the whole piece? Blade Dimensions? Thanks for sharing

13th October 2009, 03:33 AM	#6
Andrew Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: USA Posts: 1,725	I don't think that hilt is Thai or Burmese, Lee. Some similarities to silverwork of the area, but different. Interesting item.

15th October 2009, 01:20 AM	#9
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,087	Lee, Hideyoshi has good eyes not only to recognize the similarity of blade shape between his example and yours but also notice that your example most probably has a twist core central panel like that on Hideyoshi. You can see the clear line of demarcation and hints of a twisted pattern in between those lines. With this blade being twistcore and of general panabas shape, I strongly suspect the blade is Moro and the hilt is a later add on from who knows where. Very neat blade and you don't see twistcore panabai very often!