A Vietnamese question

Jeff Pringle · 24th September 2009, 01:11 PM

Rifle, anything longer than a pistol, needs two hands to hold – súng trương

Pistol, revolver - súng lục, súng sáw

Cannon, such as is mounted on a fortification - súng thấn công

My informant (ex-SV military, reasonably good English skills) reports the first two, rifle and pistol, are the same in Vietnamese for ancient and modern weapons; and that the photo looks like the third, cannon although that is supposed to be mounted and not held – he wasn’t really getting the scale of the artifact. He said the ‘ma’ was wrong. It looks to me like ‘chuong’ is the Chinese version of the Vietnamese ‘công’.

fernando · 24th September 2009, 07:51 PM

Thank you so much for your diligence, Jeff.
But then, if he thought the example in the photo was a mountable cannon, he didn't establish the true name for a hand(s) held cannon.
Or perhaps and after all súng trường is the usual name for this type of piece

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Jeff Pringle · 25th September 2009, 03:29 PM

The impression I got was that ‘súng trương’ is the correct term, that being mounted on a fortification or carriage was an important part of ‘súng thấn công.’

fernando · 25th September 2009, 03:33 PM

So it will be.
Thanks again, Jeff.
Fernando

josh stout · 29th September 2009, 02:09 AM

Just a thought. The "ma" might be from the Chinese for horse.
Josh

fernando · 29th September 2009, 05:09 PM

Thank you Josh,
In fact, i was already given such suggestion; it doesn't make much sense at first sight, but you never know

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Fernando

24th September 2009, 01:11 PM	#1
Jeff Pringle Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 189	Rifle, anything longer than a pistol, needs two hands to hold – súng trương Pistol, revolver - súng lục, súng sáw Cannon, such as is mounted on a fortification - súng thấn công My informant (ex-SV military, reasonably good English skills) reports the first two, rifle and pistol, are the same in Vietnamese for ancient and modern weapons; and that the photo looks like the third, cannon although that is supposed to be mounted and not held – he wasn’t really getting the scale of the artifact. He said the ‘ma’ was wrong. It looks to me like ‘chuong’ is the Chinese version of the Vietnamese ‘công’.

24th September 2009, 07:51 PM	#2
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you so much for your diligence, Jeff. But then, if he thought the example in the photo was a mountable cannon, he didn't establish the true name for a hand(s) held cannon. Or perhaps and after all súng trường is the usual name for this type of piece .

25th September 2009, 03:29 PM	#3
Jeff Pringle Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 189	The impression I got was that ‘súng trương’ is the correct term, that being mounted on a fortification or carriage was an important part of ‘súng thấn công.’

25th September 2009, 03:33 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	So it will be. Thanks again, Jeff. Fernando

29th September 2009, 02:09 AM	#5
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	Just a thought. The "ma" might be from the Chinese for horse. Josh

29th September 2009, 05:09 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thank you Josh, In fact, i was already given such suggestion; it doesn't make much sense at first sight, but you never know . Fernando