18C ivory hilt

Sajen · 2nd September 2009, 10:27 PM

Indeed, WOW, don't think that it go high like this. I also bid on this, but the price is far away from what I can give. But I think it's a very nice kris.

sajen

Rick · 3rd September 2009, 02:35 AM

Boy !

Judging from the crappy pictures this example approaches relic status .

I don't get the high price .

ariel · 3rd September 2009, 03:06 AM

Is it just my impression, or are the Moro weapons starting to command exceedingly high prices?
This one seems to beat all records, though....

Alam Shah · 3rd September 2009, 03:13 AM

I took part in that auction, but the price went way off my comfort zone..

Someone wants it really bad.. oh well, moving on..

KuKulzA28 · 3rd September 2009, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Is it just my impression, or are the Moro weapons starting to command exceedingly high prices?
This one seems to beat all records, though....

No, I agree... I think Moro swords are getting more and more hype, like but nowhere close to nihonto.

Gavin Nugent · 3rd September 2009, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

Is it just my impression, or are the Moro weapons starting to command exceedingly high prices?
This one seems to beat all records, though....

I certainly have noticed the trend in very high prices in every auction I have attended.

Gav

asomotif · 3rd September 2009, 06:32 AM

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Someone wants it really bad..

Probably 2 people that wanted it really bad.

You don't bid such amounts just for fun I guess.
Not a realistic price for a relic item IMHO

Amuk Murugul · 3rd September 2009, 09:40 AM

Hullo everybody,

IMVHO, nothing strange here. Just a general movement among peoples who were previously 'powerless' but are now endowed with more-than-adequate 'new' money. It means nothing to them. However, they use it to buy back their heritage (whatever they perceive that to be) which have been 'spirited' away and return them to their rightful places. Occurs in many sections of a vertical slice of society. I have observed it among the Russians, Arabs, Indians, etc.

Best,

Bill · 3rd September 2009, 03:06 PM

IMO, these "18C" span a hundred years & likely, longer. This one appears to be 17thC, at least. It would be real interesting to x-ray to find out what the tang looks like. The hilt is a early form & might have been reserved for special status.
Hope it doesn't re-appear "updated", it really is a cultural relic.
I was going to bid low $500's for it. On one hand, I can't see bidding more & on the other, if it were mine, I wouldn't have sold it for what it went for.

KuKulzA28 · 3rd September 2009, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by asomotif

Hmmm

The buyer is located in the USA and over the last year he only sold items on ebay. not bought a single piece for more than a year with this account.

Based on this I don;t think this is "new money" buying back his heritage.

perhaps not, but I can see where Amuk Murugul is coming from. It doesn't have to be a Moro selling his blade to a tourist who sells it to a collector, who ends up selling it on eBay.

It could be a Taiwanese person, who's got this old rusty ox-tail saber in his house... this thing has won his great great grandfather a duel, has been used in battles in the Taiping and Boxer rebellion, has been used to fight Japanese and Communists... has been used to slaughter Taiwanese people in 228... and now, somehow through a complex weave of marriages and gift-giving... has ended up in some Taiwanese business man's house. Well, he is moving soon to America, and he really doesn't care for weapons... especially old rusty ones with a history of killing killing killing killing killing... killing... selling the old sword might get him enough money to pay for the plane flight... one less thing to bring, and one "free" flight!

He could be Indian... could be Native American... could be Turkish... whoever, the sword is not valuable enough to be kept, other things take priority... the new culture has other means of expressing itself and status, the sword is useless to that person

2nd September 2009, 10:27 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,269	Indeed, WOW, don't think that it go high like this. I also bid on this, but the price is far away from what I can give. But I think it's a very nice kris. sajen

3rd September 2009, 02:35 AM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Boy ! Judging from the crappy pictures this example approaches relic status . I don't get the high price .

3rd September 2009, 03:06 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Is it just my impression, or are the Moro weapons starting to command exceedingly high prices? This one seems to beat all records, though....

3rd September 2009, 03:13 AM	#4
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	I took part in that auction, but the price went way off my comfort zone.. Someone wants it really bad.. oh well, moving on..

3rd September 2009, 09:40 AM	#8
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 473	Hullo everybody, IMVHO, nothing strange here. Just a general movement among peoples who were previously 'powerless' but are now endowed with more-than-adequate 'new' money. It means nothing to them. However, they use it to buy back their heritage (whatever they perceive that to be) which have been 'spirited' away and return them to their rightful places. Occurs in many sections of a vertical slice of society. I have observed it among the Russians, Arabs, Indians, etc. Best,

3rd September 2009, 03:06 PM	#9
Bill Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 327	IMO, these "18C" span a hundred years & likely, longer. This one appears to be 17thC, at least. It would be real interesting to x-ray to find out what the tang looks like. The hilt is a early form & might have been reserved for special status. Hope it doesn't re-appear "updated", it really is a cultural relic. I was going to bid low $500's for it. On one hand, I can't see bidding more & on the other, if it were mine, I wouldn't have sold it for what it went for.