Meteoric Balinese Blog....

Michel · 21st August 2009, 09:52 PM

Lemmy,
You are really doing a great job. Not only smithing but carving. I am very,very impressed. One question: in your last photos you show us the ganja, neatly adjusted to the blade but on the first and the last shots, you show the peksi (the flame) of the kris blade with an enlargement right after the ganja. I can understand why you did that (to block the ganja in its place), but I cannot see how you realized it.
Can you explain ?

Thanks and really "bravo" it is a superb work.
Michel

I think I found the way: your peksi is not part of the blade but is screwed in the thickness of the blade ! Right or wrong ?

A. G. Maisey · 22nd August 2009, 01:08 AM

In Javanese the word for a keris tang is "pesi".

The word "peksi" means "bird". It has the same meaning in krama as does "manuk" in ngoko.

The word "pesi" has the alternate meaning of "bird", but the word "peksi" has only one meaning, and that is "bird".

Rick · 22nd August 2009, 01:52 AM

Should I be looking for a ron dha in a Bali piece ??
Or no ?

A. G. Maisey · 22nd August 2009, 03:32 AM

Yes Rick.

If a Balinese blade has a greneng, that greneng should show ron dha of a specific form.

I suspect that Lemmy has moved in this direction and perhaps when he completes the greneng he will have produced an acceptable ron dha.

There are other minor points where this blade does not conform to a Balinese standard, but I must emphasise that these are minor points, and I for one am not prepared to level criticism at Lemmy's effort.All the rough outlines are there, they just need to be refined and finished.

Rick · 22nd August 2009, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Yes Rick.

If a Balinese blade has a greneng, that greneng should show ron dha of a specific form.

I suspect that Lemmy has moved in this direction and perhaps when he completes the greneng he will have produced an acceptable ron dha.

There are other minor points where this blade does not conform to a Balinese standard, but I must emphasise that these are minor points, and I for one am not prepared to level criticism at Lemmy's effort.All the rough outlines are there, they just need to be refined and finished.

Nor was I Alan; just satisfying my curiousity on that point .

Lemmy, you are indeed a prodigy .

Magnifique !!

A. G. Maisey · 22nd August 2009, 09:34 AM

Yep. I understand that Rick.

lemmythesmith · 22nd August 2009, 09:21 PM

Hi all, thanks for the latest input!!

Hi Michel, the tang is part of the blade not a separate piece screwed in. What you can see is where I have thinned the diameter of the tang a little just after the gongo-it needs a little bit more taking off yet so it's flush with the gongo top, I'll do that just before I final fit the gongo with keyways and wedges.

Hi Alan, please feel free to point out any wavering from Balinese standards. You've got infinitely more experience than me in these matters and know how it should look, so any help and suggestions are most welcome. (I have never even had hold of a Balinese piece!!) I'm working from photos so it's a little like herding cats....... Looking at the greneng I think maybe I have a little too much "curl" on them and need to refine the bottom of the "dha" I'm not really sure whether Balinese blades have gusen? If I can get this piece close to the real thing I'll be more than happy.

21st August 2009, 09:52 PM	#1
Michel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Switzerland Posts: 139	A great job Lemmy, You are really doing a great job. Not only smithing but carving. I am very,very impressed. One question: in your last photos you show us the ganja, neatly adjusted to the blade but on the first and the last shots, you show the peksi (the flame) of the kris blade with an enlargement right after the ganja. I can understand why you did that (to block the ganja in its place), but I cannot see how you realized it. Can you explain ? Thanks and really "bravo" it is a superb work. Michel I think I found the way: your peksi is not part of the blade but is screwed in the thickness of the blade ! Right or wrong ?

22nd August 2009, 01:08 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	In Javanese the word for a keris tang is "pesi". The word "peksi" means "bird". It has the same meaning in krama as does "manuk" in ngoko. The word "pesi" has the alternate meaning of "bird", but the word "peksi" has only one meaning, and that is "bird".

22nd August 2009, 01:52 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Should I be looking for a ron dha in a Bali piece ?? Or no ?

22nd August 2009, 03:32 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Yes Rick. If a Balinese blade has a greneng, that greneng should show ron dha of a specific form. I suspect that Lemmy has moved in this direction and perhaps when he completes the greneng he will have produced an acceptable ron dha. There are other minor points where this blade does not conform to a Balinese standard, but I must emphasise that these are minor points, and I for one am not prepared to level criticism at Lemmy's effort.All the rough outlines are there, they just need to be refined and finished.

22nd August 2009, 09:34 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Yep. I understand that Rick.

22nd August 2009, 09:21 PM	#7
lemmythesmith Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 93	Hi all, thanks for the latest input!! Hi Michel, the tang is part of the blade not a separate piece screwed in. What you can see is where I have thinned the diameter of the tang a little just after the gongo-it needs a little bit more taking off yet so it's flush with the gongo top, I'll do that just before I final fit the gongo with keyways and wedges. Hi Alan, please feel free to point out any wavering from Balinese standards. You've got infinitely more experience than me in these matters and know how it should look, so any help and suggestions are most welcome. (I have never even had hold of a Balinese piece!!) I'm working from photos so it's a little like herding cats....... Looking at the greneng I think maybe I have a little too much "curl" on them and need to refine the bottom of the "dha" I'm not really sure whether Balinese blades have gusen? If I can get this piece close to the real thing I'll be more than happy.