2 Pata

Jim McDougall · 26th July 2009, 10:00 PM

Arent there some kind of dances or performances that use these? I cant think of the term, but these seem like theatrical props.

Hotspur · 26th July 2009, 10:27 PM

The WPI/Forgeng index of artifacts displays a good number of examples.

http://users.wpi.edu/~jforgeng/Colle...sortstyle=pata

What I have read of them indicates age might be a real determinination of intended use. However, the use in ceremony also seems to go back a few centuries. My own feelings are that actual weapon types would, or should, show remaining (or complete) signs of textile padding.

I would put the example above in the completely tourista classification but I don't have research to share regarding 19th/20th/21st century ethnic dancing or presentations. I do know I watch one and wonder about its viability as meant as a using weapon but some aspects of that one does show remanants of padding and a good bit of what looks to me to be honest use/handling.

Cheers

Hotspur; some dealers price them somehwere in the stratosphere

KuKulzA28 · 26th July 2009, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Arent there some kind of dances or performances that use these? I cant think of the term, but these seem like theatrical props.

I know that the Maratha's Mardani Khel is either a martial dance or fighting art. There's a certain Shambhuraje Maratha War Art website but it is in poor english and seems to have Malware.

On their website they have videos where they perform performance-based martial moves with pata, sticks, swords, etc.

Emanuel · 27th July 2009, 02:16 PM

The gauntlet construction looks flimsy, that was my main consideration for thinking tourist pieces. Also my impression was that old pieces were all essentially unique, being hand crafted. Deisgned for cavalry, I'd expect pata to be custom-made, not mass produced to the same design.

tribalarms · 3rd August 2009, 04:09 PM

I have recently seen a third of the same design, but without the blade.

26th July 2009, 10:00 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,191	Arent there some kind of dances or performances that use these? I cant think of the term, but these seem like theatrical props.

26th July 2009, 10:27 PM	#2
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 508	The WPI/Forgeng index of artifacts displays a good number of examples. http://users.wpi.edu/~jforgeng/Colle...sortstyle=pata What I have read of them indicates age might be a real determinination of intended use. However, the use in ceremony also seems to go back a few centuries. My own feelings are that actual weapon types would, or should, show remaining (or complete) signs of textile padding. I would put the example above in the completely tourista classification but I don't have research to share regarding 19th/20th/21st century ethnic dancing or presentations. I do know I watch one and wonder about its viability as meant as a using weapon but some aspects of that one does show remanants of padding and a good bit of what looks to me to be honest use/handling. Cheers Hotspur; some dealers price them somehwere in the stratosphere

27th July 2009, 02:16 PM	#4
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	The gauntlet construction looks flimsy, that was my main consideration for thinking tourist pieces. Also my impression was that old pieces were all essentially unique, being hand crafted. Deisgned for cavalry, I'd expect pata to be custom-made, not mass produced to the same design.

3rd August 2009, 04:09 PM	#5
tribalarms Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 26	I have recently seen a third of the same design, but without the blade.