Eastern Java / Madura kris - Empu Tandju Bari?

ferrylaki · 16th July 2009, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by erikscollectables

and the full blade

Hi Eric, I really like your keris. I have to say this keris has a very fascinating shape. the greneng and jenggot are still in a good shape. wonderful keris it is. I bet it has a thick blade couse I can see the odo-odo on it.
the odo-odo runs from the sor-soran to the pucukan ( the tip of the keris).
the pamor on its edge seem floating run along with the luks and bordering the sogokan.
a few days ago I saw a madura keris with 7 luks which also has thick blade, thick pamor and has odo-odo on it. We can see the tippical style of the gandik, the kembang kacang and hoe the first luk run from the gandik toward the middle of the keris.I manage to take the photograph before it has the warangan. here it is. the blade has 37,5 cm lenght

David · 16th July 2009, 03:28 AM

Erik, i really like this one. Just beautiful!

David · 16th July 2009, 03:52 AM

Forgive me Alan, but you seem to have reversed the orientation of the blade during your photoshopping so i took another crack at it.

A. G. Maisey · 16th July 2009, 04:15 AM

Yes David, I reversed it --- intentionally.

If I had not reversed it it would be back to front, and impossible to properly view.

You see, when you learn all this tangguh and appraisal stuff, you develop something like a set of templates in your mind, so that in order to look at a keris and form any sort of supportable opinion you measure the image against the template that is in your mind.

What I did with the original image was to manipulate it into an orientation where a proper assessment could be made.

In fact, I often do this with published images of keris before I give an opinion, but I have not previously published or explained this.

David · 16th July 2009, 04:33 AM

You know Alan, i suspected that this was your reasoning and certainly completely valid in that context. But i am afraid that it upset my own personal "photojournalist's ethic of reality" so i just had to present the "correct" orientation.

A. G. Maisey · 16th July 2009, 06:07 AM

Yep. I can understand that David.

Ethically, my manipulation sucks, but for the purposes of keris evaluation, its the only one possible.

erikscollectables · 16th July 2009, 11:14 PM

Alan many thanks for the information on the keris.
I also learned again from the discussion around how to keep the keris to study it. I did not know something as basic as that yet.

Regards, Erik

16th July 2009, 03:52 AM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Forgive me Alan, but you seem to have reversed the orientation of the blade during your photoshopping so i took another crack at it. Attached Images

16th July 2009, 03:28 AM	#2
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	Erik, i really like this one. Just beautiful!

16th July 2009, 04:15 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Yes David, I reversed it --- intentionally. If I had not reversed it it would be back to front, and impossible to properly view. You see, when you learn all this tangguh and appraisal stuff, you develop something like a set of templates in your mind, so that in order to look at a keris and form any sort of supportable opinion you measure the image against the template that is in your mind. What I did with the original image was to manipulate it into an orientation where a proper assessment could be made. In fact, I often do this with published images of keris before I give an opinion, but I have not previously published or explained this.

16th July 2009, 04:33 AM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	You know Alan, i suspected that this was your reasoning and certainly completely valid in that context. But i am afraid that it upset my own personal "photojournalist's ethic of reality" so i just had to present the "correct" orientation.

16th July 2009, 06:07 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Yep. I can understand that David. Ethically, my manipulation sucks, but for the purposes of keris evaluation, its the only one possible.

16th July 2009, 11:14 PM	#7
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Alan many thanks for the information on the keris. I also learned again from the discussion around how to keep the keris to study it. I did not know something as basic as that yet. Regards, Erik