Tenegre? & Parang Nabur?

[KuKulzA28]

Is there a particular difference between Parang Nabur and Parang Pedang?
I have a modern-made pamor Parang Nabur from Valiant Trading Co. and it looks similar to that "Parang Pedang".... and I have seen the Nabur name a lot but not so much the pedang one. Also, I don't know Indonesian history particularly well, but "coastal Malays of Borneo"... that could refer to Iranun, Sabah Moros, Iban, Sea Dayaks, Brunei, etc. right? In all the researching I've done online, it seems they've always been vague about this type of sword's user... Sea Dayak... Iban... European influence... I've seen a picture with it next to a barong I believe, from Sulu...

Here's my pamor Parang Nabur...

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by KuKulzA28

Is there a particular difference between Parang Nabur and Parang Pedang?

Do you mean a difference in shape or difference from origin?
The 2 are very different. The Parang Nabur is from South east Asia (Banjarmasin, Negara area). The Parang Pedang is from coastal North Borneo (Sabah). Both used by non-dayaks (however the parang pedang I am not sure, because the ferrule used is also find on the sangkit, a murut tribe weapon).

Originally Posted by KuKulzA28

and I have seen the Nabur name a lot but not so much the pedang one.

The Parang Nabur is not so rare as the parang pedang. Therefore you see much more about the Nabur name. By the way the inland name of the parang nabur was Beladah Belabang.

Originally Posted by KuKulzA28

but "coastal Malays of Borneo"... that could refer to Iranun, Sabah Moros, Iban, Sea Dayaks, Brunei, etc. right?

It doesn't refer to Iranun or moros. They are from the South philipines, but also have settlements in Sabah, and have taken their kampilans,morokrisses and barong with them.

It also doesn't refer to the Iban (other name, same tribe: Sea dayaks), and lived in another area of Borneo, Sarawak. They were no malays, but dayaks.

[KuKulzA28]

I guess I've got a lot more to learn... thanks

so my modern blade would have a Parang Pedang blade with a Nabur handle?

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by KuKulzA28

I guess I've got a lot more to learn... thanks

so my modern blade would have a Parang Pedang blade with a Nabur handle?

IMO it is no parang pedang blade, and certainly no nabur handle?
But I do like Suwandi's (Valiant Trading Co) blades......

[t_c]

Thanks for all the info so far Maurice.
Here is the picture of the handle profile I was referring to earlier. I've annotated it with my interpretation - it seemed like a representation of some animal/deity/other... It's definitely abstract, but it struck me that there was something more to the carving than simple ornate grooves.
I'm hoping someone has some deeper insights into the culture that produced it.

[KuKulzA28]

Originally Posted by Maurice

IMO it is no parang pedang blade, and certainly no nabur handle?
But I do like Suwandi's (Valiant Trading Co) blades......

I like them too, very much, but I'm confused. What exactly is it then?

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by t_c

Thanks for all the info so far Maurice.
Here is the picture of the handle profile I was referring to earlier. I've annotated it with my interpretation - it seemed like a representation of some animal/deity/other... It's definitely abstract, but it struck me that there was something more to the carving than simple ornate grooves.
I'm hoping someone has some deeper insights into the culture that produced it.

Sorry tc, I can't tell you more or it would only be speculatians. If any other forumite have some additional (documented) info, I also would appreciate telling us in this thread.

Originally Posted by KuKulzA28

I like them too, very much, but I'm confused. What exactly is it then? .

Well, it is a newly made weapon, and I think you should ask Suwandi which swords he used as example. The handle looks more like a klewang that was used in the same area as the parang nabur (and was much rarer, cause in 1900 they were already not to be found in that area anymore).
I attached a banjarklewang handle and a parang nabur handle for comparison.

[KuKulzA28]

Thanks Maurice! I'll be going off to do some research now!