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Old 3rd May 2005, 08:49 AM   #31
Radu Transylvanicus
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... seems to be Timurid Persian , I see Mongol and I see Persian in it, I also think it goes 18th century and beyond.
Is that the Timurid/Mongol I saw on it ? It had mainly to do with shape , I paid no detail attention to the chainmail, just considered is there. The conical spiked helmet, not domed nor fluted nor tear shaped and the "yin-yang" like mystical symbol pointed more than anything towards that consideration .
Why so early (18th century and beyond ) is because vaguely I recall similar shaped Mongolic (hence Tartar...) helmets anywhehre between 15th and beggining of 18th century, in Timurid & Safavid Persia or Mughul Empire.
The best source to see this helmets would be Indo-Persian miniatures and I will try to find some representative ones... Does anyone own ilustrations from the Tarikh-i-Khandana-i-Timuria manuscript or similar, that might help me spot some light on my theory !
I will not opose at all to the very late theory (19th century) but I am trying my luck to research to push it further as I "have a feeling" (there you go, I said it !!!) its earliear but please consider that I am not considering the chainmail for the moment...
How about the inscription, anyone dare ?

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