Cirebon or Tegal with Figural hilt

BluErf · 6th June 2009, 03:13 PM

Oh, a "proto-tajong"!

V v nice! I'm jealous. It goes well with the teratai style wrongko!

Rick · 6th June 2009, 05:24 PM

I'm feeling a bit covetous along with you Kai Wee .

Fantastic keris Erik !

erikscollectables · 6th June 2009, 09:16 PM

Thanks for the nice comments so far.

If I were to replace the pendok what kind would suit this keris?
Silver would be my material of choice but what is the style that fits?

Regards, Erik

PS any good sources for such a pendok more than welcome too of course.

BluErf · 7th June 2009, 02:18 AM

Dear Erik,

I'm no where close to being an expert in Javanese kerises, but I thought the pendok looks like non-Central Javanese, and could have originated from around the Cirebon/Tegal region. It may not be the finest, but if it can be pushed up to fit closer to the neck of the wrongko, I think it would still be overall more appropriate for the keris' form.

I believe the shape of the pendok is not the same as Central Javanese pendok, especially closer to the bottom. I would recommend as much as possible, not to change the current pendok.

ganjawulung · 7th June 2009, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by erikscollectables

If I were to replace the pendok what kind would suit this keris?
Silver would be my material of choice but what is the style that fits?

Dear Erik,
IMHO -- in Cirebon and Tegal, some old kerises have no pendhok. But some with gold pendhok or simple silver or copper pendhoks. They look really simple. Some Tegalese "sampir" (sorry, to mention it in Malaysian term) I have, made of old and fine "tanduk" (horn). Hopefully, old rhino horn...

Here are some pictures of my Tegalese keris with the same type of hilt like Erik's, we call it "Rajamala" hilt. Just for sharing with you... At least I have two Rajamalas in my collection...

GANJAWULUNG

erikscollectables · 7th June 2009, 05:28 PM

Ganjawulung and BluErf many thanks for the comments on the pendok.

Spoke today with one of the Dutch specialists (he would not call himself that though) at a Keris meeting. He was the same opinion as you both he thought it is probably an original pendok of the region.

I still think it might not be original to the keris because it does not fit really well but as this style is good for the keris I'll keep them together.

Regards, Erik

Bill M · 6th January 2019, 01:17 PM

Are the eyes are made from a different material?

What is the difference between Cirebon/Tegal?

David · 6th January 2019, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill M

What is the difference between Cirebon/Tegal?

Bill, Cirebon and Tegal are both Northern Coast in Jawa. Cirebon was its own Sultanate established in the 16th century and Tegal was a regency of Mataram established in the early 17th century. They can apparently share certain traits in their keris, perhaps due to being so geographically close to one another.

BluErf · 7th June 2009, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick

I'm feeling a bit covetous along with you Kai Wee .

Fantastic keris Erik !

There can only be one! And it's Erik right now.

Haha.

6th January 2019, 01:17 PM	#7
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	Are the eyes are made from a different material? What is the difference between Cirebon/Tegal? Attached Images Last edited by Bill M; 6th January 2019 at 01:37 PM.

6th June 2009, 03:13 PM	#1
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Oh, a "proto-tajong"! V v nice! I'm jealous. It goes well with the teratai style wrongko!

6th June 2009, 05:24 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	I'm feeling a bit covetous along with you Kai Wee . Fantastic keris Erik !

6th June 2009, 09:16 PM	#3
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Thanks for the nice comments so far. If I were to replace the pendok what kind would suit this keris? Silver would be my material of choice but what is the style that fits? Regards, Erik PS any good sources for such a pendok more than welcome too of course.

7th June 2009, 02:18 AM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Dear Erik, I'm no where close to being an expert in Javanese kerises, but I thought the pendok looks like non-Central Javanese, and could have originated from around the Cirebon/Tegal region. It may not be the finest, but if it can be pushed up to fit closer to the neck of the wrongko, I think it would still be overall more appropriate for the keris' form. I believe the shape of the pendok is not the same as Central Javanese pendok, especially closer to the bottom. I would recommend as much as possible, not to change the current pendok.

7th June 2009, 05:28 PM	#6
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Ganjawulung and BluErf many thanks for the comments on the pendok. Spoke today with one of the Dutch specialists (he would not call himself that though) at a Keris meeting. He was the same opinion as you both he thought it is probably an original pendok of the region. I still think it might not be original to the keris because it does not fit really well but as this style is good for the keris I'll keep them together. Regards, Erik