Rare Pilipino Swords....

Spunjer · 1st May 2005, 12:35 AM

...and i thank you, tom, for your time.

(psst, your message box is full

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Ian · 1st May 2005, 01:32 AM

Dragged out this old one and etched it this afternoon to find evidence of lamination of the blade and a hardened edge similar to the binangon I showed above.

We know this one is old because it has an older style Visayan scabbard, a wooden disk guard that is asymmetrical, and the blade just looks "old." The beveled edge has been ground many times and shows clear lamination.

tom hyle · 1st May 2005, 01:34 AM

I thank you, spunjer, for the pictures of a very nice looking old sword

Rick, rather than try to further diagnose from a distance why don't you send me your swords? Just joking

Rather than try to further diagnose from a distance, I'll tell you a thing to look for. Look at the spine of the blade on the dog head sword, within the clip, at the very tip. If the surface is clean and etched well, and the hard steel goes all the way to the tip, you should either see the edge bit pinched in, or the hard part will end in a line that runs across the spine, perpendicular to the length of the sword (usually slanty, but only very slightly; nothing one would mistake for a scarf weld).
Even in person, there is often no real visual cue to decide between a weld and a hardening line; logic concerning the shape of the line and its relation to any welded grain there may be are largely our tools. There is often a different look to a weld than a hardening line, but one cannot always rely on that in my experiece.

Spunjer · 1st May 2005, 07:16 PM

ian,
is that a bathead? better yet, and if you don't mind, can you post a "mugshot" of that baby?

Ian · 1st May 2005, 10:20 PM

Ron:

It's just a common variety of Panay demon/deity figure. Pictures are attached below.

Ian.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunjer

ian,
is that a bathead? better yet, and if you don't mind, can you post a "mugshot" of that baby?

Spunjer · 2nd May 2005, 03:10 AM

thanks ian. i don't think it's a common type, is it? it seems like it's one of those diety hilt that belongs in "Others" category. it's not your typical round head, rhino horn diety like this dude right here ===>

Ian · 2nd May 2005, 05:43 AM

Spunjer:

You're right to ask how common this particular form of deity hilt might be. I really don't know if this style is common. What I meant to say was that it is a deity hilt of the Panay/Negros form, which is a common finding on these older Visayan tenegre.

Ian.

tom hyle · 2nd May 2005, 02:45 PM

I think it's a version of a zoomorphic/deity pommel that is common (the nose horn guy; seen some dispute as to who he is...); this particular form of the stylization is not common to my experience, but the subject is not particularly unusual. There are at least 3 standardized stylizations that, at least to me, all seem to be this same guy.

1st May 2005, 01:32 AM	#2
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,524	Laminated Visayan Blade + Hardened Edge Dragged out this old one and etched it this afternoon to find evidence of lamination of the blade and a hardened edge similar to the binangon I showed above. We know this one is old because it has an older style Visayan scabbard, a wooden disk guard that is asymmetrical, and the blade just looks "old." The beveled edge has been ground many times and shows clear lamination. Attached Images

1st May 2005, 01:34 AM	#3
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I thank you, spunjer, for the pictures of a very nice looking old sword Rick, rather than try to further diagnose from a distance why don't you send me your swords? Just joking Rather than try to further diagnose from a distance, I'll tell you a thing to look for. Look at the spine of the blade on the dog head sword, within the clip, at the very tip. If the surface is clean and etched well, and the hard steel goes all the way to the tip, you should either see the edge bit pinched in, or the hard part will end in a line that runs across the spine, perpendicular to the length of the sword (usually slanty, but only very slightly; nothing one would mistake for a scarf weld). Even in person, there is often no real visual cue to decide between a weld and a hardening line; logic concerning the shape of the line and its relation to any welded grain there may be are largely our tools. There is often a different look to a weld than a hardening line, but one cannot always rely on that in my experiece. Last edited by tom hyle; 1st May 2005 at 01:20 PM.

1st May 2005, 12:35 AM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	...and i thank you, tom, for your time. (psst, your message box is full )

1st May 2005, 07:16 PM	#4
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	ian, is that a bathead? better yet, and if you don't mind, can you post a "mugshot" of that baby?

2nd May 2005, 03:10 AM	#6
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	thanks ian. i don't think it's a common type, is it? it seems like it's one of those diety hilt that belongs in "Others" category. it's not your typical round head, rhino horn diety like this dude right here ===>

2nd May 2005, 05:43 AM	#7
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,524	Spunjer: You're right to ask how common this particular form of deity hilt might be. I really don't know if this style is common. What I meant to say was that it is a deity hilt of the Panay/Negros form, which is a common finding on these older Visayan tenegre. Ian.

2nd May 2005, 02:45 PM	#8
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I think it's a version of a zoomorphic/deity pommel that is common (the nose horn guy; seen some dispute as to who he is...); this particular form of the stylization is not common to my experience, but the subject is not particularly unusual. There are at least 3 standardized stylizations that, at least to me, all seem to be this same guy.