Origin of the Jawa Demam hilt form

Mick · 12th May 2009, 05:53 PM

Here's another vote for Cirebon being the origin of this figure.

erikscollectables · 13th May 2009, 08:50 AM

Here is another.
Does this qualify as Jawa Demam or maybe a Raksasa (see the Raksasa/Figur al discussion).

It is much less stylized than the other Jawa Demam's I have.
Much more figural and less "bird" like so to say.
I think it also has the fangs that would make it a raksassa type of hilt.
On the other hand the crossed arm is quite typical I think or not?

Would like to hear your opinions.

Regards, Erik

jonng · 13th May 2009, 10:41 AM

Dear Eric,

The hilt you just posted look like a newly carved one. Is it new?

B/rgds,
jonathan

erikscollectables · 13th May 2009, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonng

Dear Eric,

The hilt you just posted look like a newly carved one. Is it new?

B/rgds,
jonathan

As far as I know it is from the 1950s and brought from Sumatra to the Netherlands in that period.

So not new but quite recent.

It is very well carved (in horn) that is why I kept it despite the relative young age it has. It is th eodd one out in my collection but i like it nevertheless

Regards, Erik

erikscollectables · 13th May 2009, 08:17 PM

Here another example of a cross over.
A figural hilt with crossed arms like the the Jawa Demam but also with Fanks like an ogre/demon.

Would this qualify as a Jawa Demam?

It is a nice old ivory example.

Regards, Erik

David · 13th May 2009, 09:20 PM

Erik, i can't answer you question, but i did want to say that you seem to have a wonderful collection of figural hilts.

A old hilt like this, with the ogre-like qualities such as fangs and the crossed over arm posture of the Jawa Demam is indeed very interesting. What i am most curious about is if there is a specific meaning to this crossed over arm posture. Does it have a specific cultural significance? Likewise does the hands on knees posture also have cultural significance? Are the meanings here different or doesn't it matter?

erikscollectables · 14th May 2009, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by David

Erik, i can't answer you question, but i did want to say that you seem to have a wonderful collection of figural hilts.

A old hilt like this, with the ogre-like qualities such as fangs and the crossed over arm posture of the Jawa Demam is indeed very interesting. What i am most curious about is if there is a specific meaning to this crossed over arm posture. Does it have a specific cultural significance? Likewise does the hands on knees posture also have cultural significance? Are the meanings here different or doesn't it matter?

Thanks, in fact the collection is quite small but I do try to improve the quality of the collection continuously and I try to learn from the items I have as much as I can.

I am interested in the same question as you are.
In fact I have four hilts that are almost the same and have lot of characteristics that they all have. This must be the same character (the one I used to call Raksasa in being the flesh eating demon).
It has the hand position you mention.

I will try to make an overview of the characteristics.
If anaybody can positively identify this character that would be very nice!

I'll post it as a seperate thread.

Regards, Erik

12th May 2009, 05:53 PM	#1
Mick Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Orlando Posts: 104	Here's another vote for Cirebon being the origin of this figure. Attached Images Last edited by Mick; 12th May 2009 at 08:46 PM.

13th May 2009, 08:50 AM	#2
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Jawa Demam Here is another. Does this qualify as Jawa Demam or maybe a Raksasa (see the Raksasa/Figur al discussion). It is much less stylized than the other Jawa Demam's I have. Much more figural and less "bird" like so to say. I think it also has the fangs that would make it a raksassa type of hilt. On the other hand the crossed arm is quite typical I think or not? Would like to hear your opinions. Regards, Erik Attached Images Last edited by erikscollectables; 13th May 2009 at 09:47 AM.

13th May 2009, 08:17 PM	#5
erikscollectables Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 318	Another cross over? Here another example of a cross over. A figural hilt with crossed arms like the the Jawa Demam but also with Fanks like an ogre/demon. Would this qualify as a Jawa Demam? It is a nice old ivory example. Regards, Erik Attached Images

13th May 2009, 10:41 AM	#3
jonng Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 41	Dear Eric, The hilt you just posted look like a newly carved one. Is it new? B/rgds, jonathan

13th May 2009, 09:20 PM	#6
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Erik, i can't answer you question, but i did want to say that you seem to have a wonderful collection of figural hilts. A old hilt like this, with the ogre-like qualities such as fangs and the crossed over arm posture of the Jawa Demam is indeed very interesting. What i am most curious about is if there is a specific meaning to this crossed over arm posture. Does it have a specific cultural significance? Likewise does the hands on knees posture also have cultural significance? Are the meanings here different or doesn't it matter?