Origin of the Jawa Demam hilt form

A. G. Maisey · 12th May 2009, 05:39 AM

Here are a few of my hilts of this type, mixed in with others---sorry.

jonng · 12th May 2009, 07:02 AM

I will put up some of my hilts for further discussions later when I have the time to photograpgh them. But I need to point this out. I think the carvers are quite observant and they do not carve without taking the natural body posture into considerations. To me the Minang and Palembang (Sumatra), and Malaysian "Jawa Demam" forms are quite similar. They have the right elbow over the right knee and no matter what the posture is, I think it is extremely awkward to be able to get the right forearm across the stomach!

Yes Sajen I agree the left leg of hilts from the north east coast/ Cirebon? or Raksasa form is more or less straight. These tend to have the right elbow just touching or just above the right knee and the toes pointing downwards which would suggest sitting on the edge of something high to me.

I have seen only a few suggesting the left knee touching the ground and these are I believe Sumatran in origin. Will try to find them.

jonng · 12th May 2009, 07:42 AM

here's some

jonng · 12th May 2009, 07:48 AM

is the motif near the base (where I think the ankles are) the anklets? it's just a simple horizontal line on the Big Minang? "jawa Demam.

jonng · 12th May 2009, 07:59 AM

more

jonng · 12th May 2009, 08:09 AM

more for comparison

Marcokeris · 12th May 2009, 12:55 PM

another simple brass form (the ring is not right...but i like it)

12th May 2009, 05:39 AM	#1
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,992	Here are a few of my hilts of this type, mixed in with others---sorry. Attached Images

12th May 2009, 07:42 AM	#3
jonng Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 41	here's some Attached Images

12th May 2009, 07:59 AM	#5
jonng Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 41	more Attached Images

12th May 2009, 08:09 AM	#6
jonng Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 41	more for comparison Attached Images

12th May 2009, 12:55 PM	#7
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	another simple brass form (the ring is not right...but i like it) Attached Images

12th May 2009, 07:02 AM	#2
jonng Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 41	I will put up some of my hilts for further discussions later when I have the time to photograpgh them. But I need to point this out. I think the carvers are quite observant and they do not carve without taking the natural body posture into considerations. To me the Minang and Palembang (Sumatra), and Malaysian "Jawa Demam" forms are quite similar. They have the right elbow over the right knee and no matter what the posture is, I think it is extremely awkward to be able to get the right forearm across the stomach! Yes Sajen I agree the left leg of hilts from the north east coast/ Cirebon? or Raksasa form is more or less straight. These tend to have the right elbow just touching or just above the right knee and the toes pointing downwards which would suggest sitting on the edge of something high to me. I have seen only a few suggesting the left knee touching the ground and these are I believe Sumatran in origin. Will try to find them.

12th May 2009, 07:48 AM	#4
jonng Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 41	is the motif near the base (where I think the ankles are) the anklets? it's just a simple horizontal line on the Big Minang? "jawa Demam.