Mandau for comment

[Amuk Murugul]

Hullo Willem,

Originally Posted by asomotif

Kayan / Kenyah IMHO

Bahau I would expect to be more stylistic / more bold in style ?.....

I included those two tribes under Bahau (as per Brittanica). As I don't know of Dr. J.B. Anthony (a local Dayak publicist/leader) disputing this, I accepted it in good faith. Who am I to debate it?

Best,

[asomotif]

I included those two tribes under Bahau (as per Brittanica).

This is new to me. This is the first time that I hear of Kayan / Kenyah being part of Bahau.

If you check Hornbill and Dragon by Bernard Sellato, he has a map with tribes in which kayan / kenyah is a pretty large group, and part of this group are Bahau and Modang tribes.

Best regards,
Willem

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by asomotif

This is new to me. This is the first time that I hear of Kayan / Kenyah being part of Bahau.

If you check Hornbill and Dragon by Bernard Sellato, he has a map with tribes in which kayan / kenyah is a pretty large group, and part of this group are Bahau and Modang tribes.

Best regards,
Willem

Hi Willem,
so you would guess that it is a Kenyah or Kayan Mandau?

Best regards,
Detlef

[asomotif]

Uhhhhh..... Let's say kayan, because it looks like a hilt that Mjoberg describes as Kayan in his book "Borneo"

I am not sure if you could either pinpoint it on kenyah or Kayan as these tribes are very close to each other, and that is also a guess.

But it is a very nice example and a very good start for a mandau collection

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Uhhhhh..... Let's say kayan, because it looks like a hilt that Mjoberg describes as Kayan in his book "Borneo"

I am not sure if you could either pinpoint it on kenyah or Kayan as these tribes are very close to each other, and that is also a guess.

But it is a very nice example and a very good start for a mandau collection

Thank you Willem. This is already the second one I have. The other one complete with sheat and belt, only the piso raut is missing. Wooden handle and also very nice blade.
sajen

[asomotif]

because it looks like a hilt that Mjoberg describes as Kayan in his book "Borneo"

Not more than educated guessing by the way.
here is the picture from the book.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Not more than educated guessing by the way.
here is the picture from the book.

Yes I see what you mean. Thank's for the learning lession!

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by Sajen

The other one complete with sheat and belt, only the piso raut is missing. Wooden handle and also very nice blade.

Hi Sajen,

Could you post som pics of that one please?



I found a pic of a pre 1898 handle of the mandalam kayans, from the museum nusantara Delft. I see also some similarities on that one too...

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hi Sajen,

Could you post som pics of that one please?



I found a pic of a pre 1898 handle of the mandalam kayans, from the museum nusantara Delft. I see also some similarities on that one too...

Hi Maurice,

thank's for the pic, yes the similarities I see also.
Pics from my other Mandau I will post later and I am already curious about your comment!