help to identify newly aquired old yataghan

mavi1970 · 29th April 2005, 04:16 AM

hi i have attached more again, ask if not legible

tom hyle · 29th April 2005, 04:47 AM

doesn't look poorly off in the pictures. That molasses is pitch; boiled down tree resin likely mixed with other things.

Radu Transylvanicus · 29th April 2005, 07:05 AM

This is a sword that myself I would consider restoring (as in professional cleaning) since it is well preserved but covered in murky oxides and residue and I have a feeling that I wouldnt miss that patina, which isnt such a ,,charming" one (in my own acception...). The weapon is awesome and the materials used are good and well preserved.

mavi1970 · 29th April 2005, 03:15 PM

thanks for your quick comments. what is the consenses on age and origin? would it be balkan ottoman or more east ottoman? due to the chase work? and the age, mid 19th or earlier?

Rick · 29th April 2005, 03:58 PM

These swords are often quite controversial as to their exact origin . In the old forum we went round and round about the origin of my example .
I think it would be most helpful to see the entire sword several views including the spine , and the entire scabbard both front and back including the method of fastening the leather seam on the back .
I think the absence of jewels and coral could be meaningful as to origin .
The scabbard (if original) may also help to date the piece .

mavi1970 · 29th April 2005, 07:50 PM

hi here a few more pictures, i would have to take more if needed, what kind of sword do you have? how old is it and how does it compare? what does the coral and stones signify in terms of origin and date?

mavi1970 · 29th April 2005, 07:55 PM

the wood inside the scabbard looks old and not a new peice or new peice distrissed to look old, its really worn down. also the leather is stitched together with a steel wire if sorts, which has actually held it together if it is as you say 100%old and original, the brass end peice also has little indentations around the area that covers the stitched leather center, as to almost be like little nails to hold it in place. the top end of it has a leather peice which has tiny sew marks along the bottom and top and along the seam. the design is one that interests me because it almost matches the design on the blade of a circle with a davids star of sorts.

29th April 2005, 04:16 AM	#1
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	more photos again hi i have attached more again, ask if not legible Attached Images

29th April 2005, 03:58 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Tough Question These swords are often quite controversial as to their exact origin . In the old forum we went round and round about the origin of my example . I think it would be most helpful to see the entire sword several views including the spine , and the entire scabbard both front and back including the method of fastening the leather seam on the back . I think the absence of jewels and coral could be meaningful as to origin . The scabbard (if original) may also help to date the piece .

29th April 2005, 07:50 PM	#6
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	more pictures hi here a few more pictures, i would have to take more if needed, what kind of sword do you have? how old is it and how does it compare? what does the coral and stones signify in terms of origin and date? Attached Images

29th April 2005, 07:55 PM	#7
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	scabbard the wood inside the scabbard looks old and not a new peice or new peice distrissed to look old, its really worn down. also the leather is stitched together with a steel wire if sorts, which has actually held it together if it is as you say 100%old and original, the brass end peice also has little indentations around the area that covers the stitched leather center, as to almost be like little nails to hold it in place. the top end of it has a leather peice which has tiny sew marks along the bottom and top and along the seam. the design is one that interests me because it almost matches the design on the blade of a circle with a davids star of sorts.

29th April 2005, 04:47 AM	#2
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	doesn't look poorly off in the pictures. That molasses is pitch; boiled down tree resin likely mixed with other things.

29th April 2005, 07:05 AM	#3
Radu Transylvanicus Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: 2008-2010 Bali, 1998-2008 USA Posts: 271	This is a sword that myself I would consider restoring (as in professional cleaning) since it is well preserved but covered in murky oxides and residue and I have a feeling that I wouldnt miss that patina, which isnt such a ,,charming" one (in my own acception...). The weapon is awesome and the materials used are good and well preserved.

29th April 2005, 03:15 PM	#4
mavi1970 Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: canada Posts: 90	thanks for your quick comments. what is the consenses on age and origin? would it be balkan ottoman or more east ottoman? due to the chase work? and the age, mid 19th or earlier?