Pamorless keris (keleng)

[G. McCormack]

the 'sand' like appearance you see is just the crystal structure of the steel/iron revealed by the etch. Probably a forest of pearlite crystals. Nice blade.

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by G. McCormack

the 'sand' like appearance you see is just the crystal structure of the steel/iron revealed by the etch. Probably a forest of pearlite crystals. Nice blade.

thank you for the information.

[Sajen]

Nice keleng blade and good pictures.
sajen

[kulbuntet]

Annyone had a thought about that the waragnan bath maybe was to strong.. I think the blade has got pamor, but the wash was to strong.

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by kulbuntet

Annyone had a thought about that the waragnan bath maybe was to strong.. I think the blade has got pamor, but the wash was to strong.

I understand your thought about the ' too strong warangan' . at the first time I also have the same feeling about this keris. It must be a pamor keris.
I find it so difficult to find a kelengan keris. thats why this keris amuse me so much, because it trully is a kelengan keris. I've been asking for some opinion regarding this keris. all of them says it is a kelengan keris.

the warangan job it self done in a very good manner, by a goos friend of mine. he is a a very skillfull person with warangan and other keris related activities.
lets us continue this discussion to its tangguh. I have a thought this keris has tangguh of: early Hamengku Buwono. looking at its gonjo.
any body has another idea?

[A. G. Maisey]

Ferry, I know you to be quite knowledgeable in the field of keris, you have this keris in your hand, and your opinion is that it is early HB.

However, I would ask you to consider this:-

is it legitimate to give a kraton based tangguh to a keris that is obviously of far less than kraton quality?

is it possible to give a supportable opinion in respect of tangguh when we are dealing with a keris that lacks many of the indicators that we would normally use to establish an opinion?

is it possible that we are looking at a keris that might be able to be categorised as Kajoran, or perhaps Godean --- or maybe, just maybe, Palembang?

I myself am not prepared to offer an opinion on this keris, simply because it is far too difficult to form an opinion from just a photo. I cannot accurately appraise the pawakan, I have no idea at all of the tanting, I cannot feel the texture, I cannot see if the ganja is sebit ron or nguceng mati, I do not know the form of the sirah cecak---its just too hard from a photo, especially for a blade like this.

What I think I can see is what appears to be a fairly substantial blade with a sharply defined ada-ada running full length of the blade, no kruwingan, a square blumbangan, a ganja with a mid line curve, but a small and harsh tungkakan. This is sufficient to point my mind along a certain road, but at the end of that road there are a number of gateways. I do not know from the photos which one to choose.

[ferrylaki]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Ferry, I know you to be quite knowledgeable in the field of keris, you have this keris in your hand, and your opinion is that it is early HB.

However, I would ask you to consider this:-

is it legitimate to give a kraton based tangguh to a keris that is obviously of far less than kraton quality?

is it possible to give a supportable opinion in respect of tangguh when we are dealing with a keris that lacks many of the indicators that we would normally use to establish an opinion?

is it possible that we are looking at a keris that might be able to be categorised as Kajoran, or perhaps Godean --- or maybe, just maybe, Palembang?

I myself am not prepared to offer an opinion on this keris, simply because it is far too difficult to form an opinion from just a photo. I cannot accurately appraise the pawakan, I have no idea at all of the tanting, I cannot feel the texture, I cannot see if the ganja is sebit ron or nguceng mati, I do not know the form of the sirah cecak---its just too hard from a photo, especially for a blade like this.

What I think I can see is what appears to be a fairly substantial blade with a sharply defined ada-ada running full length of the blade, no kruwingan, a square blumbangan, a ganja with a mid line curve, but a small and harsh tungkakan. This is sufficient to point my mind along a certain road, but at the end of that road there are a number of gateways. I do not know from the photos which one to choose.

Hai Alan, I finally got your attention.
I define the tangguh to be early HB since its original warangka is a Jogjanese brangah. sorry I didnt include the warangka ini the picture.
I also understand its very hard to judge tangguh using photograph.
we must feel the surface, the tantingan, etc.
I try my best to provide these good pictures for us to discuss.
I rarely meet palembang keris. the last palembang keris I met is much much thicker with sharply defined ada-ada which is also running full lenght of the blade. using a kinatah gonjo, very beautiful keris ( a saw the keris 2 weeks ago) .

I hope this discussion would continue a bit longer. I really apreciate any opinion about this keris. I try my best to provide a decent keris to be discussed.
Hope that my Thread would become a usefull discussion material for all of us.
Thank you.

Ferrylaki