Katzbalgers and Related Landsknecht Swords

fernando · 11th April 2009, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

I think we wander from the subj. matter, eh ?

I wonder what could be wrong in (such) wandering

Jim McDougall · 11th April 2009, 04:04 PM

This thread is incredible!!! What outstanding material on katzbalgers, and what I think is most interesting is the indisputable role of these developed hilts in the origins of the Scottish baskethilt, one of my favorites of course.

Interesting asides on fencing.....I once fenced, a little.....but waaaayyy in my younger years. Interesting to know we have some representation of this fascinating art within our ranks here, and I would really like to have some serious discussion of the weapons used and their history. It has come up before but only briefly.
While the history of fencing theory goes, I believe, into the 16th century, the actual structured practice itself seems mostly later.

Getting back to the katzbalgers, interesting notes on determining the Swiss from German forms, and outstanding discussion gentlemen!!! I'm learning a lot here!!!

All the best,

' Z '

Matchlock · 11th April 2009, 05:36 PM

Thank you so much, Jim 'Z'

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Your comment has inspired me to post some more historic sources of illustration on early Landsknecht swords.

Michael

Matchlock · 11th April 2009, 05:41 PM

More.

Matchlock · 11th April 2009, 05:45 PM

That's it.

Jim McDougall · 11th April 2009, 06:07 PM

Thanks so much Michael!!! This information is really great....so far beyond the material I have at hand here.

I couldnt resist the Z

.....one of my favorite scenes in "Zorro, the Gay Blade" was when the peasantry asked the mysterious masked swordsman who he was......he dashingly swishes a Z deftly into a tree trunk......and the crowd obliviously ask........'two???'.........in maddened frustration he bellows, no!!!! not two!!! eet ees a zee!!! for I am zorro!!! and stomps off.

Now I'm really off topic !!!! Back to the katzbalgers!!!! please keep it going guys OK?

All the best,
Jim

cornelistromp · 11th April 2009, 08:28 PM

some more.

cornelistromp · 11th April 2009, 08:41 PM

2

Matchlock · 6th June 2009, 04:53 PM

This finely painted limewood bowl depicts secenes from the Hildesheim Feud of 1522. It is preserved at the Herzog-Anton-Ulrich-Museum in Brunswick.

Please note the representations of Landsknecht swords and early firearms.

Michael

cornelistromp · 7th June 2009, 03:09 PM

.

Matchlock · 7th June 2009, 03:26 PM

Thanks for posting these, Cornelis!

What book are they taken from?

Michael

11th April 2009, 05:36 PM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	More sources of illustration Thank you so much, Jim 'Z', Your comment has inspired me to post some more historic sources of illustration on early Landsknecht swords. Michael Attached Images

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Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	More. Attached Images

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Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	That's it. Attached Images

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cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	some more. Attached Images

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cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	2 Attached Images

11th April 2009, 04:04 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,442	This thread is incredible!!! What outstanding material on katzbalgers, and what I think is most interesting is the indisputable role of these developed hilts in the origins of the Scottish baskethilt, one of my favorites of course. Interesting asides on fencing.....I once fenced, a little.....but waaaayyy in my younger years. Interesting to know we have some representation of this fascinating art within our ranks here, and I would really like to have some serious discussion of the weapons used and their history. It has come up before but only briefly. While the history of fencing theory goes, I believe, into the 16th century, the actual structured practice itself seems mostly later. Getting back to the katzbalgers, interesting notes on determining the Swiss from German forms, and outstanding discussion gentlemen!!! I'm learning a lot here!!! All the best, ' Z '

11th April 2009, 06:07 PM	#6
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,442	Thanks so much Michael!!! This information is really great....so far beyond the material I have at hand here. I couldnt resist the Z .....one of my favorite scenes in "Zorro, the Gay Blade" was when the peasantry asked the mysterious masked swordsman who he was......he dashingly swishes a Z deftly into a tree trunk......and the crowd obliviously ask........'two???'.........in maddened frustration he bellows, no!!!! not two!!! eet ees a zee!!! for I am zorro!!! and stomps off. Now I'm really off topic !!!! Back to the katzbalgers!!!! please keep it going guys OK? All the best, Jim

6th June 2009, 04:53 PM	#9
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	The Marriage Bowl of Peine, Lower Saxony, Dated 1534 This finely painted limewood bowl depicts secenes from the Hildesheim Feud of 1522. It is preserved at the Herzog-Anton-Ulrich-Museum in Brunswick. Please note the representations of Landsknecht swords and early firearms. Michael Attached Images

7th June 2009, 03:09 PM	#10
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,060	. Attached Images

7th June 2009, 03:26 PM	#11
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Thanks for posting these, Cornelis! What book are they taken from? Michael