Filipino swords and axes in the 13th Century?

fernando · 20th March 2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonoy Tan

...Hi Fernando ...

Wrong name?

Nonoy Tan · 20th March 2009, 06:20 PM

As far as I know (I could be wrong though), there are no written records of weaponry from the 13th century. On the other hand, ancient Chinese records (of which may remain undisclosed or untranslated to this date) may in the future provide clues or answers. Unless, you may want to go this route which will require significant resources/money (i.e. gaining access and translating ancient records in China which may or may not guarantee answers), then the second alternative may have to be archaeology... of which there are limited materials. As a start, you may want to research on Palawan and Cagayan archaeology, Beyer papers on ancient Philippine-China relations, archeological findings and opinions by Robert Fox ... My 2 cents. I hope this helps.

VANDOO · 20th March 2009, 07:29 PM

BOTH THE KINGDOM OF NAMAYAN AND TONDO NEAR THE PASIG RIVER ON LUZON WERE ESTABLISHED AND IMPORTANT TRADE CENTERS LONG BEFORE AND DURING THE PERIOD YOU ARE INTERESTED IN.TRADE WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED DURING THE TANG AND SONG DYNASTIES OF CHINA. MANY CHINESE IMMIGRATES CAME TO LIVE IN THE PHILIPPINES DURING THE MING DYNASTY CIRC. 1373. TRADERS FROM INDIA, THE ARAB COUNTRYS AND SIAM ALSO CAME THERE TO TRADE.
THE PORT OF SANFOTSI WAS A CENTER FOR TRADE IN THAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA. I KNOW OF NO WRITTEN ACCOUNTS DESCRIBING WHAT KIND OF WEAPONS THE NATIVE PHILIPPINO USED AT THAT TIME BUT IT WAS LIKELY SOMETHING THEY TRADED FOR FROM THE CHINESE OR ONE OF THE OTHER COUNTRYS THAT TRADED THERE. RELIGION MAY HAVE PLAYED SOME PART IN IT ALSO IF THEY WERE AFFILIATED WITH HINDU PERHAPS INDIAN OR MALAYSIAN WEAPON FORMS. IF BUDDIST PERHAPS CHINESE FORMS OF WEAPONS. THERE WAS MENTION THAT THE LOCALS WERE FEARLESS FIGHTERS BUT UNFORTUNATELY NO DESCRIPTIONS OF WEAPONS OR STRATEGY.
THE IDEA OF TRANSLATEING ANCIENT CHINESE RECORDS AND SEEING WHAT HAS BEEN FOUND IN ARCHEOLOGICAL DIGS IN THE AREA ARE BOTH GOOD IDEAS. IT IS TOO BAD ANCIENT POTTERY FROM THIS AREA ARE NOT AS OBLIGING WITH DECOUR SHOWING WARRIORS AND WEAPONS AND COSTUMES AND GODS AS THE GREEKS AND MAYA AMONG OTHERS DID. GOOD LUCK

20th March 2009, 06:20 PM	#2
Nonoy Tan Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 293	As far as I know (I could be wrong though), there are no written records of weaponry from the 13th century. On the other hand, ancient Chinese records (of which may remain undisclosed or untranslated to this date) may in the future provide clues or answers. Unless, you may want to go this route which will require significant resources/money (i.e. gaining access and translating ancient records in China which may or may not guarantee answers), then the second alternative may have to be archaeology... of which there are limited materials. As a start, you may want to research on Palawan and Cagayan archaeology, Beyer papers on ancient Philippine-China relations, archeological findings and opinions by Robert Fox ... My 2 cents. I hope this helps.

20th March 2009, 07:29 PM	#3
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	BOTH THE KINGDOM OF NAMAYAN AND TONDO NEAR THE PASIG RIVER ON LUZON WERE ESTABLISHED AND IMPORTANT TRADE CENTERS LONG BEFORE AND DURING THE PERIOD YOU ARE INTERESTED IN.TRADE WAS ALREADY ESTABLISHED DURING THE TANG AND SONG DYNASTIES OF CHINA. MANY CHINESE IMMIGRATES CAME TO LIVE IN THE PHILIPPINES DURING THE MING DYNASTY CIRC. 1373. TRADERS FROM INDIA, THE ARAB COUNTRYS AND SIAM ALSO CAME THERE TO TRADE. THE PORT OF SANFOTSI WAS A CENTER FOR TRADE IN THAT GEOGRAPHIC AREA. I KNOW OF NO WRITTEN ACCOUNTS DESCRIBING WHAT KIND OF WEAPONS THE NATIVE PHILIPPINO USED AT THAT TIME BUT IT WAS LIKELY SOMETHING THEY TRADED FOR FROM THE CHINESE OR ONE OF THE OTHER COUNTRYS THAT TRADED THERE. RELIGION MAY HAVE PLAYED SOME PART IN IT ALSO IF THEY WERE AFFILIATED WITH HINDU PERHAPS INDIAN OR MALAYSIAN WEAPON FORMS. IF BUDDIST PERHAPS CHINESE FORMS OF WEAPONS. THERE WAS MENTION THAT THE LOCALS WERE FEARLESS FIGHTERS BUT UNFORTUNATELY NO DESCRIPTIONS OF WEAPONS OR STRATEGY. THE IDEA OF TRANSLATEING ANCIENT CHINESE RECORDS AND SEEING WHAT HAS BEEN FOUND IN ARCHEOLOGICAL DIGS IN THE AREA ARE BOTH GOOD IDEAS. IT IS TOO BAD ANCIENT POTTERY FROM THIS AREA ARE NOT AS OBLIGING WITH DECOUR SHOWING WARRIORS AND WEAPONS AND COSTUMES AND GODS AS THE GREEKS AND MAYA AMONG OTHERS DID. GOOD LUCK