War Shillelagh

graeme gt · 10th March 2009, 04:46 PM

This is very similar .

Queequeg · 11th March 2009, 01:33 AM

Graeme, that's a nice one!! Do you own it? Any chance of some more pictures, perhaps in hand?

graeme gt · 11th March 2009, 01:34 PM

Yes its mine will take some more snaps .

Queequeg · 11th March 2009, 05:54 PM

I'm looking forward to these photos. Where did you get it? Any history you can share with us?

graeme gt · 11th March 2009, 08:23 PM

No history im afraid got it from antique dealer who knows i collect clubs .

Tim Simmons · 11th March 2009, 08:45 PM

Very scary man, with a white van? please dont hurt me

colin henshaw · 20th March 2009, 05:57 PM

Great stuff David. Looking forward to seeing the finished product. You may be interested in this description of the making of a Masai knobkerrie

Regards

colin henshaw · 20th March 2009, 06:28 PM

Here is the next page David.

Best regards
Colin

colin henshaw · 21st March 2009, 04:13 PM

The name of the book is "Barefoot over the Serengeti" by David Read

colin henshaw · 25th March 2009, 06:48 AM

Hi David

Interesting to see how your club is coming along. As far as I know, the concept of a weapon with a striking surface at one end and another striking or stabbing function at the other end, has not really developed and shown to be practical. Given the tens of thousand of years mankind has been inventing weapons, I suppose this means the concept has been tried and discarded.

The only possible examples I can think of are the Indian double-bladed dagger "haladie" and a rifle with a bayonet - the stock could be used also as a club "in extremis", although there must be others...

Regards.

colin henshaw · 25th March 2009, 08:01 PM

I've just had a look at the Pitt-Rivers Museum "Arms & Armour Virtual Gallery" website, and it has a picture of a South American club "Macana", that features a counter-weight at the butt end of the club, in the manner you were thinking of.

Perhaps you could experiment with the club you are making by attaching a temporary weight to the handle end ?

Of course, clubs/knobkerries were used in different ways - the Masai threw theirs at the enemy before a massed spear charge, but the Zulus tended to hold on to their clubs for hand to hand combat. Also some clubs would be for purely display/element of costume. The Zulus also had a knobkerrie with an enormous head that was used for the execution of condemned individuals.

There is also a huge range of clubs to be found in the Pacific and Australasia.
Some of the Fiji clubs would require warriors of great strength to wield them.

Best regards
Colin

Lew · 11th March 2009, 10:01 PM

graeme gt

I was getting a stiff neck so here you go.

Btw

Nice club

Lew

M ELEY · 12th March 2009, 11:08 AM

Wow!

That is an incredible club! Very similar to the one from the movie that started this conversation. Forgive me, for I am a novice in this area of collecting, but are these made from the root bulb of the tree? The reason I ask is that I understand that some tribal people did this (as did native Americans, who would use rhododendren root). It looks like this last one might have had root tendrils or something, judging from its surface. Going out on a long limb here...

10th March 2009, 04:46 PM	#1
graeme gt Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 97	This is very similar . Attached Images

11th March 2009, 08:23 PM	#5
graeme gt Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 97	No history im afraid got it from antique dealer who knows i collect clubs . Attached Images

20th March 2009, 05:57 PM	#7
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,429	Great stuff David. Looking forward to seeing the finished product. You may be interested in this description of the making of a Masai knobkerrie Regards Attached Images

20th March 2009, 06:28 PM	#8
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,429	Here is the next page David. Best regards Colin Attached Images

11th March 2009, 10:01 PM	#12
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	graeme gt I was getting a stiff neck so here you go. Btw Nice club Lew Attached Images

11th March 2009, 01:33 AM	#2
Queequeg Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Detroit (New Mayapan) Posts: 96	Graeme, that's a nice one!! Do you own it? Any chance of some more pictures, perhaps in hand?

11th March 2009, 01:34 PM	#3
graeme gt Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 97	Yes its mine will take some more snaps .

11th March 2009, 05:54 PM	#4
Queequeg Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Detroit (New Mayapan) Posts: 96	I'm looking forward to these photos. Where did you get it? Any history you can share with us?

11th March 2009, 08:45 PM	#6
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,917	Very scary man, with a white van? please dont hurt me

21st March 2009, 04:13 PM	#9
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,429	The name of the book is "Barefoot over the Serengeti" by David Read

25th March 2009, 06:48 AM	#10
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,429	Hi David Interesting to see how your club is coming along. As far as I know, the concept of a weapon with a striking surface at one end and another striking or stabbing function at the other end, has not really developed and shown to be practical. Given the tens of thousand of years mankind has been inventing weapons, I suppose this means the concept has been tried and discarded. The only possible examples I can think of are the Indian double-bladed dagger "haladie" and a rifle with a bayonet - the stock could be used also as a club "in extremis", although there must be others... Regards.

25th March 2009, 08:01 PM	#11
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,429	I've just had a look at the Pitt-Rivers Museum "Arms & Armour Virtual Gallery" website, and it has a picture of a South American club "Macana", that features a counter-weight at the butt end of the club, in the manner you were thinking of. Perhaps you could experiment with the club you are making by attaching a temporary weight to the handle end ? Of course, clubs/knobkerries were used in different ways - the Masai threw theirs at the enemy before a massed spear charge, but the Zulus tended to hold on to their clubs for hand to hand combat. Also some clubs would be for purely display/element of costume. The Zulus also had a knobkerrie with an enormous head that was used for the execution of condemned individuals. There is also a huge range of clubs to be found in the Pacific and Australasia. Some of the Fiji clubs would require warriors of great strength to wield them. Best regards Colin

12th March 2009, 11:08 AM	#13
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,204	Wow! That is an incredible club! Very similar to the one from the movie that started this conversation. Forgive me, for I am a novice in this area of collecting, but are these made from the root bulb of the tree? The reason I ask is that I understand that some tribal people did this (as did native Americans, who would use rhododendren root). It looks like this last one might have had root tendrils or something, judging from its surface. Going out on a long limb here...