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[Henk]

I'm not an expert either.............

Rust can come up very quickly. Even in a few days. The rust is rather lose if you look at the pictures and doesn't seem rust being there for years. That kind of rust looks much more different.

[David]

Originally Posted by Henk

I'm not an expert either.............

Rust can come up very quickly. Even in a few days. The rust is rather lose if you look at the pictures and doesn't seem rust being there for years. That kind of rust looks much more different.

Well, if a keris is well cared for i would say that there should never be any rust on the pesi at all, so i don't think that we can judge the age of a keris based on whether or nor there is deep set rust on the pesi or any part of the blade. That this rust is surface rust is a good thing and i would suggest once again that you clean it before it becomes a problem.

[ferrylaki]

I think I saw a keris with elephant gandik, luk 3 keris.
might be a recent made keris.

[Sajen]

Hello,
I think that this is a very interesting thread and this blade is a puzzle to me. I still think that this blade isn't recent but I can be mistaken.
Galvano you clean the peksi? I think to see a split in the top of it from corrosion.
I want to show here three peksi for comparison: a recent Madura blade, an old Java blade and an old Bali blade.
It will be interesting what our javanese members think about this blade.
And I agree with Newsteel that the greneng is a sign of balinese origin while the sogokan is more javanese.
Regards,
sajen

[HiFi]

Dear all, I have followed the discussion for long time but worried my English not good for joining the forum.

Today I try for joining the discussion and please accept my apologize if my word is wrong.

Dear galvano, maybe your keris is like Henk said, I also suppose it is new Maduranese origin made (because it made by order, sometimes the Maduranese keris made adopted of another origin), the corrosion and rust maybe caused of unfinished for finishing (kamal) process.

The kamal process not always to fool people to judge the piece as old but for make the blade become harmoniously like Sajen said.

Many of the new Maduranese keris always has ganja tail like buntut urang and has more heavy weight than old keris, so I suppose your keris has ganja buntut urang too.

Sincerely,
Suryo

[David]

Originally Posted by HiFi

Many of the new Maduranese keris always has ganja tail like buntut urang and has more heavy weight than old keris, so I suppose your keris has ganja buntut urang too.

Perhaps i am laboring under a misunderstanding. I had thought that "buntut urang" referred to the tail end of the gonjo, so don't all keris have one?
I am not convinced that this work is from Madura. The pesi seems consistent with those i have seen on Bali and Lombok keris. Can we possibly see a photo looking down on the gonjo.

[HiFi]

Originally Posted by David

Perhaps i am laboring under a misunderstanding. I had thought that "buntut urang" referred to the tail end of the gonjo, so don't all keris have one?

Reference to the old version of the Ensiklopedi Keris, page 55, buntut urang is a kind of buntut cecak (urang=shrimp), which buntut cecak agreeing as the rearest part after the gandok part of the ganja by seeing from the bottom (not side seeing).

So, maybe buntut cecak has sub-definiton : buntut cecak and buntut urang.

Buntut urang has bolder and flat at the tip (like shrimp tail), another pointed tip known as buntut cecak.