The magic of standing Keris

David · 19th February 2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pusaka

This video illustrates the kind of thing I'm talking about (although it is a fake in my opinion)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yeo91PEL2i8

Oh please, not this video again. I don't think there is any question that this is fake. It's stop-action animation, and bad animation at that.

I am not so sure that i see the benefit of this line of discussion to our understanding of the keris. Mystical phenomenon will never be quantitively or scientifically proven. I have had many dozens of mystical and magickal experiences in my lifetime (none specifically with keris other than feeling i could sense certain energies within some of them), but presenting them to others would be a useless exercise. Magick does not work like your toaster or your car, though i do truly believe it does work. But IMO to tell someone, yeah, i had a keris fly across my room once is in essence totally meaningless to those who did not experience it.

Pusaka · 25th February 2009, 08:01 PM

At the beginning of this thread I posted a photo of a keris with Naga rangsang pamor. I was told that it was made by Empu Djeno Harumbrodjo, I have some reservations about this but wondering what others think?

David · 25th February 2009, 09:41 PM

This is indeed a nice contemporary keris Pusaka. AFAIK most of empu Djeno's keris came with certificates of authenticity. Do you have one for this one? Not that it couldn't be faked. If you provided some really detailed photos maybe one of our more learned members might be able to make a judgement. I would also think that since his nephews are carrying on with this work and all this was done within human memory perhaps they could ID it if you sent them photos. But i do not know the address you would need to send them.

Pusaka · 25th February 2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by David

I would also think that since his nephews are carrying on with this work and all this was done within human memory perhaps they could ID it if you sent them photos. But i do not know the address you would need to send them.

Yes David, they would know for sure, I would love to send a photo but dont have an address or email contact either. Anyone here know

Pusaka · 26th February 2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by David

AFAIK most of empu Djeno's keris came with certificates of authenticity. Do you have one for this one? Not that it couldn't be faked.

I was looking everywhere for that scrap of paper, actually this is what makes me think that Empu Djeno Harumbrodjo did not make it. I think the certificate would have been more professional with his signature included. This piece of paper was in the keris bag.

David · 26th February 2009, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pusaka

I was looking everywhere for that scrap of paper, actually this is what makes me think that Empu Djeno Harumbrodjo did not make it. I think the certificate would have been more professional with his signature included. This piece of paper was in the keris bag.

ummm...well yes, i believe that the certificates do look just a bit more professional than this one. I understand your suspicion.

I don't think they are usually written in English either.

Kiai Carita · 9th March 2009, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pusaka

I was looking everywhere for that scrap of paper, actually this is what makes me think that Empu Djeno Harumbrodjo did not make it. I think the certificate would have been more professional with his signature included. This piece of paper was in the keris bag.

That piece of paper looks like it was written by a person who went to school in Indonesia after the 1980s. Before that the handwriting of schooled people here was better, with proper thick and thin lines, in a slant.

Empu Sungkowo Harum Brodjo lived most of his life with Empu Djeno and considers himself to be his son. Just a few weeks ago Empu Sungkowo had a remembrance ceremony, commemorating 1000 days after Empu Djeno's death. Currently he is busy making meteorite keris for a German client who brought over the meteorite. He has a two year waiting list.

Empu Sungkowo lives in Empu Djeno's house and has renovated the front part. His address is : Gatak, Sumberagung, Moyudan, Sleman, Yogyakarta 55563. Landline 0888-2742354, mobile 081-22731372.

The photo of the certificate definitely screams FAKE! while the polished almost "too nice" appearance of the keris seems to say MADURA. Often Madura blades don't have a decent piece of steel in the centre. I would try and bend the blade, if it gives and bends easily, it means that it hasn't got a proper steel middle.

Have a good day.

25th February 2009, 08:01 PM	#2
Pusaka Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 341	At the beginning of this thread I posted a photo of a keris with Naga rangsang pamor. I was told that it was made by Empu Djeno Harumbrodjo, I have some reservations about this but wondering what others think?

25th February 2009, 09:41 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,211	This is indeed a nice contemporary keris Pusaka. AFAIK most of empu Djeno's keris came with certificates of authenticity. Do you have one for this one? Not that it couldn't be faked. If you provided some really detailed photos maybe one of our more learned members might be able to make a judgement. I would also think that since his nephews are carrying on with this work and all this was done within human memory perhaps they could ID it if you sent them photos. But i do not know the address you would need to send them.