A Portuguese Partisan

Anandalal N. · 21st January 2009, 11:44 AM

Thanks Fernando. I have still not succeeded so am sending you the image by e-mail.

David, you see the differences from the example you indicated. The Patisthana is very close to the Patisan with the wings pointing forward probably to stop the enemy charging in, in a maniacal rage.

Matchlock · 21st January 2009, 03:23 PM

Hi, Fernando,

It is just as you wrote: the form of the blade does serve a lethal purpose. I even see it in the same line of formal development as the Late Gothic langue de boeuf and the early Renaissance short cinquedea.

What makes me wonder if that lethal purpose could still be reached with your partizan/spontoon is the relative thinness of the blade and of its central reinforcement ridge. These two were, in my opinion, somewhat more accentuated in former blades meant for actual fighting.

Again, this is not the field that I can plow with sufficient authority though.

Michael

Anandalal N. · 21st January 2009, 05:33 PM

I think I just figured out how to do this. So here goes.

fernando · 21st January 2009, 11:35 PM

Hi Michael

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

... What makes me wonder if that lethal purpose could still be reached with your partizan/spontoon is the relative thinness of the blade and of its central reinforcement ridge. These two were, in my opinion, somewhat more accentuated in former blades meant for actual fighting ...

I see your point.
Not that i have not seen blades with a rather more fragile aspect. But i lake the experience to discuss the subject, even much less than you, of course.
Indeed the blade thickness in this one is 6 mm by the ridge, although its lateral 'hooks' reach the 8 mm, partly because they have been beaten (hammered), for whatever reason, which made their rims even thicker.
Fernando

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Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 22nd August 2016, 03:00 PM

More...I add in retrospect the importance of looking at the martial arts of the Sri Lankan diaspora in an attempt to lock down these weapons probably absorbed from the Portuguese. This particular spear seems to be one such weapon.

fernando · 22nd August 2016, 04:51 PM

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 23rd August 2016, 11:44 AM

I illustrate below similar weapons from a variety of European locations...all Partisan styles ...It suggests that this form was copied into traditional weapons in Sri Lankla...I wondered if I could see Partisan spears at the back leaning against the wall in Rembrandts great work...so I included that...Partisan spears crop up in German, Italian, Portuguese and many other European regions. It makes sense that The Portuguese transported in this weapon to Sri Lanka...rather than the other way around.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 23rd August 2016, 01:39 PM

At the Ratnapura Sri Lankan National Museum ~ Patisthnaya Spears.

21st January 2009, 03:23 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi, Fernando, It is just as you wrote: the form of the blade does serve a lethal purpose. I even see it in the same line of formal development as the Late Gothic langue de boeuf and the early Renaissance short cinquedea. What makes me wonder if that lethal purpose could still be reached with your partizan/spontoon is the relative thinness of the blade and of its central reinforcement ridge. These two were, in my opinion, somewhat more accentuated in former blades meant for actual fighting. Again, this is not the field that I can plow with sufficient authority though. Michael Last edited by Matchlock; 22nd January 2009 at 01:42 PM.

21st January 2009, 05:33 PM	#3
Anandalal N. Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 84	I think I just figured out how to do this. So here goes. Attached Images

22nd August 2016, 03:00 PM	#5
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	More...I add in retrospect the importance of looking at the martial arts of the Sri Lankan diaspora in an attempt to lock down these weapons probably absorbed from the Portuguese. This particular spear seems to be one such weapon. Attached Images Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 23rd August 2016 at 08:55 AM.

23rd August 2016, 11:44 AM	#7
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	I illustrate below similar weapons from a variety of European locations...all Partisan styles ...It suggests that this form was copied into traditional weapons in Sri Lankla...I wondered if I could see Partisan spears at the back leaning against the wall in Rembrandts great work...so I included that...Partisan spears crop up in German, Italian, Portuguese and many other European regions. It makes sense that The Portuguese transported in this weapon to Sri Lanka...rather than the other way around. Attached Images

23rd August 2016, 01:39 PM	#8
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	At the Ratnapura Sri Lankan National Museum ~ Patisthnaya Spears. Attached Images

21st January 2009, 11:44 AM	#1
Anandalal N. Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 84	Thanks Fernando. I have still not succeeded so am sending you the image by e-mail. David, you see the differences from the example you indicated. The Patisthana is very close to the Patisan with the wings pointing forward probably to stop the enemy charging in, in a maniacal rage.

22nd August 2016, 04:51 PM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694