A Sikin Panjang...or not???

CharlesS · 11th January 2009, 03:07 PM

Thanks for the input.

Battara...regarding the metal rings, I believe the widest one is swassa(maybe heavy with copper), and the narrow "crown" is a low grade of gold. Neither was tarnished when purchased, and had bot been polished.

VVV...regarding the hilt form, it seemed to me that the extensions were not long enough or didn't both have the bulbous tip to be a hulu tumpang exclusively, so I though perhaps it was a variant of the hulu tumpang and hulu rumpung. Perhaps you can see what I am saying if you combine the two in your imagination. But, you may very well be right and this may just be a slight variant on the hulu tumpang.

erikscollectables · 11th January 2009, 07:24 PM

Very nice sikin.

My guess is hulu tumpang but limited due to the material. So only a practical variation on the theme.

Most ivory I have seen on sikins (mainly on photo's to be honest) is with hulu rumpang. My guess still is that this is because otherwise you need a really big piece of ivory.

Anyway real nice piece, Erik

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Thanks for the input.

Battara...regarding the metal rings, I believe the widest one is swassa(maybe heavy with copper), and the narrow "crown" is a low grade of gold. Neither was tarnished when purchased, and had bot been polished.

VVV...regarding the hilt form, it seemed to me that the extensions were not long enough or didn't both have the bulbous tip to be a hulu tumpang exclusively, so I though perhaps it was a variant of the hulu tumpang and hulu rumpung. Perhaps you can see what I am saying if you combine the two in your imagination. But, you may very well be right and this may just be a slight variant on the hulu tumpang.

CharlesS · 11th January 2009, 09:02 PM

Good point Erik.

asomotif · 11th January 2009, 10:51 PM

Really great piece.

I have never seen something like it before.

Congrats !

asomotif · 4th February 2013, 07:53 PM

I came across this absolutely stunning piece and noticed that no-one ever checked the inscription.

At the risk of being impolite I would like to ask if Dom or Mohd or any of the other forumites with knowledge of these inscriptions can take a look

Best regards,
Willem

Dom · 5th February 2013, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asomotif

At the risk of being impolite I would like to ask if Dom or Mohd or any of the other forumites with knowledge of these inscriptions can take a look

Willem
when, it's nicely requested, I can't refuse ...

BUT ... it's not Arabic
it's Jawi language, using an Arabic alphabet for writing the Malay language;
- Acehnese,
- Banjarese,
- Minangkabau,
- Tausug and
- several other languages in Southeast Asia.

we may read ... only a single word "ALLAH" either "GOD" ... no more

à +

Dom

VANDOO · 5th February 2013, 01:14 AM

IF MARINE IVORY WAS USED (SPERM WHALE TOOTH) THE SIZE WOULD BE LIMITED FOR CARVING A HANDLE. THE SOLID TIP OF THE TOOTH WOULD GO TOWARD THE BLADE AND THE WIDER HOLLOW ROOT AREA OF THE TOOTH TO THE POMEL. IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE OF THE NATURAL HOLLOW FOUND IN WHALE TEETH ON THE HANDLE? AT ANY RATE I LIKE IT

OF COURSE I ALWAYS LIKE THE ATYPICAL AND UNUSUAL IN WEAPONS.

4th February 2013, 07:53 PM	#5
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	BUMP / Jawi translation requested I came across this absolutely stunning piece and noticed that no-one ever checked the inscription. At the risk of being impolite I would like to ask if Dom or Mohd or any of the other forumites with knowledge of these inscriptions can take a look Best regards, Willem

11th January 2009, 03:07 PM	#1
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Thanks for the input. Battara...regarding the metal rings, I believe the widest one is swassa(maybe heavy with copper), and the narrow "crown" is a low grade of gold. Neither was tarnished when purchased, and had bot been polished. VVV...regarding the hilt form, it seemed to me that the extensions were not long enough or didn't both have the bulbous tip to be a hulu tumpang exclusively, so I though perhaps it was a variant of the hulu tumpang and hulu rumpung. Perhaps you can see what I am saying if you combine the two in your imagination. But, you may very well be right and this may just be a slight variant on the hulu tumpang.

11th January 2009, 09:02 PM	#3
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Good point Erik.

11th January 2009, 10:51 PM	#4
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,228	Really great piece. I have never seen something like it before. Congrats !

5th February 2013, 01:14 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	IF MARINE IVORY WAS USED (SPERM WHALE TOOTH) THE SIZE WOULD BE LIMITED FOR CARVING A HANDLE. THE SOLID TIP OF THE TOOTH WOULD GO TOWARD THE BLADE AND THE WIDER HOLLOW ROOT AREA OF THE TOOTH TO THE POMEL. IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE OF THE NATURAL HOLLOW FOUND IN WHALE TEETH ON THE HANDLE? AT ANY RATE I LIKE IT OF COURSE I ALWAYS LIKE THE ATYPICAL AND UNUSUAL IN WEAPONS.