VOC Sabre yes/no

Jeff D · 2nd January 2009, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

The blade and the hilt don't seem to be the same age at least as far as wear and abuse goes .

Remount ??

Hi Rick,

Not necessarily so. Iron will act as the sacrificial electrode when in contact with copper or brass. It would corrode at an accelerated rate and should therefore look much more abused.

All the Best
Jeff

M ELEY · 2nd January 2009, 09:55 PM

Unfortunately, the hilt on this sword is one of those generic pattern artillary hilts found on French, Prussian and Spanish pieces roughly of the period ca.1830-1890. I'm not familiar with any Dutch pieces having this hilt. I thought that the VOC stood for the Dutch East India Company? I'm not familiar with the 'United Dutch East Asia Company', as I assumed after the the East India trading company went under circa 1800, there were no further companies involved? Interesting. So...if this Dutch East Asia Co existed into the 19th century, it could be a real piece. If not and the VOC stands for the earlier company, it has either been re-hilted or is a fake. I guess one other possibility is that someone affectionately inscribed it on a later sword out of found rememberence of the company.
If the VOC marking is attached to a later company (this Asia company you speak of), this might explain why this marking is sometimes found on more 19th century pieces.
Shaver Cool, anyone??

Sorry, Jim! Couldn't resist!!

Rick · 2nd January 2009, 10:15 PM

Slowly I turned .....

Thanks Jeff for that tidbit about the reaction .

Jeff D · 2nd January 2009, 10:17 PM

Although way out of my area, I did find this listed as a Dutch pattern Naval Hanger by R.J.Wilkinson-Latham in Pictorial history of swords and Bayonets . Undated and with different quillions, but may show a pattern of lineage from the VOC saber above.
Hi Rick, glad to help.

All the Best
Jeff

Amuk Murugul · 3rd January 2009, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M ELEY

I thought that the VOC stood for the Dutch East India Company? I'm not familiar with the 'United Dutch East Asia Company', as I assumed after the the East India trading company went under circa 1800, there were no further companies involved? Interesting. So...if this Dutch East Asia Co existed into the 19th century, it could be a real piece. If not and the VOC stands for the earlier company, it has either been re-hilted or is a fake. I guess one other possibility is that someone affectionately inscribed it on a later sword out of found rememberence of the company.
If the VOC marking is attached to a later company (this Asia company you speak of), this might explain why this marking is sometimes found on more 19th century pieces.
Shaver Cool, anyone??

Sorry, Jim! Couldn't resist!!

Hullo everybody!

De Verenigde Oostindische Compagnie (The United Dutch East Asia Company): the words in brackets are Valk's free translation from the Dutch. Don't be too harsh.

The literal translation would be something like: The United Eastindies Company (1602 - 1800).

Best,

Dajak · 3rd January 2009, 08:43 AM

It don't look like an real one .

But they told you almost the same on this forum

http://www.swordfactsbenelux.nl/foru...php?f=4&t=1189

Ben

2nd January 2009, 10:17 PM	#4
Jeff D Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 473	Although way out of my area, I did find this listed as a Dutch pattern Naval Hanger by R.J.Wilkinson-Latham in Pictorial history of swords and Bayonets . Undated and with different quillions, but may show a pattern of lineage from the VOC saber above. Hi Rick, glad to help. All the Best Jeff Attached Images

2nd January 2009, 09:55 PM	#2
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,141	Unfortunately, the hilt on this sword is one of those generic pattern artillary hilts found on French, Prussian and Spanish pieces roughly of the period ca.1830-1890. I'm not familiar with any Dutch pieces having this hilt. I thought that the VOC stood for the Dutch East India Company? I'm not familiar with the 'United Dutch East Asia Company', as I assumed after the the East India trading company went under circa 1800, there were no further companies involved? Interesting. So...if this Dutch East Asia Co existed into the 19th century, it could be a real piece. If not and the VOC stands for the earlier company, it has either been re-hilted or is a fake. I guess one other possibility is that someone affectionately inscribed it on a later sword out of found rememberence of the company. If the VOC marking is attached to a later company (this Asia company you speak of), this might explain why this marking is sometimes found on more 19th century pieces. Shaver Cool, anyone?? Sorry, Jim! Couldn't resist!!

2nd January 2009, 10:15 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	Slowly I turned ..... Thanks Jeff for that tidbit about the reaction .

3rd January 2009, 08:43 AM	#6
Dajak Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 951	It don't look like an real one . But they told you almost the same on this forum http://www.swordfactsbenelux.nl/foru...php?f=4&t=1189 Ben