Nice Indo Persian Axe

Battara · 22nd December 2008, 04:44 PM

Yeah, I too think the head is on backwards.....

Tim Simmons · 22nd December 2008, 05:50 PM

I am not at all sure the blade is on upside down. There does not seem to be any old disturbance to the rivets on the halft. Which would have to be removed to take out the rod and knob finial. It is well worth an offer to my mind as long as it is a bargian. It will probably clean up well.

Sikh_soldier · 22nd December 2008, 05:55 PM

Hi guys,

thank you for your carefull observations, I totally missed the fact that it was upside down,
why would this be?, and if it has been replaced with a newer head can it be easily taken off and put back right?

Could anyone please PM me an average price I should offer, I have been stung before, and have no idea to its value.

Thanks everyone

Regards
Bally

Tim Simmons · 22nd December 2008, 06:03 PM

Sadly I no longer have this axe or the pics. Indian stuff never stays long with me. In this link the black and white pic shows a similar upside down type of axe head. This type of axe is often described as rare by some collectors and dealers so it might be a good idea to make a sensible offer, 2-3 of ponies?
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=north+i

Atlantia · 22nd December 2008, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Simmons

Sadly I no longer have this axe or the pics. Indian stuff never stays long with me. In this link the black and white pic shows a similar upside down type of axe head. This type of axe is often described as rare by some collectors and dealers so it might be a good idea to make a sensible offer, 2-3 of ponies?
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=north+i

Hi Tim,
Am I going blind in my old age? I really can't see the similar upside down example mate?
The picture with the Katar in the middle?

Can I presume to make an observation about the one in this thread though?
If the head is the right way on, then when swung, a light or glancing blow will push the target away. Against armour it may not even penetrate or buckle.
Having the curve of the cutting edge lean towards the handle increases the efficiency of the cut on impact.
The head looks like a classic Tabar (or any numnber of small ecuropean axes) shape, but very plain, I do think its probobly OK, but I'd be a little wary as it does seem to have been messed around with. I can only assume that at some point the head was removed and it was stored long enough that it changed hands whilst in two pieces.
I dont think the handle is a replacement, the rosette studs look ok and the fact that the handle widens towards the grip end is something that is very unlikely to be a home made effort by someone who then put the head on the wrong way around.

Yes a couple of ponies or a little more seems fine ;-)
Nice Axe for that! Would you adam and eve it?

kronckew · 22nd December 2008, 09:23 PM

nice axe, the head does appear to be on upside down (either that or the haft is

) it looks like this is the head that it originally came with tho. (the one in the b&w photo linked is a different style and the edge is still in line for a strike - i agree with atlantia. even if there was a picture, it could also have been put on upside down. on this one i expect the finial at the top may unscrew allowing the head to be removed, or some such arrangement.

i DO have an ancient axe that is so old it's haft has been replaced three times and it's head twice and recently has had both done at the same time.

katana · 22nd December 2008, 11:31 PM

Hi Bally,
first of all congrats on your graduation ( knowledge is the 'mightiest' weapon of all

)

I too think, that if the price is 'right' ...get it. I also believe the head is upside down....but it seems to have been like it for awhile....judging by the rust around the finial (as suggested by Tim)

Another, high end version sold at Christies ...described as Ottoman ...the head very similar in shape but with decoration. There does seem to be decoration obscured by rust on the one posted.

http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/l...jectID=5164286

Regards David

22nd December 2008, 05:55 PM	#3
Sikh_soldier Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 87	Upside down axe! Hi guys, thank you for your carefull observations, I totally missed the fact that it was upside down, why would this be?, and if it has been replaced with a newer head can it be easily taken off and put back right? Could anyone please PM me an average price I should offer, I have been stung before, and have no idea to its value. Thanks everyone Regards Bally

22nd December 2008, 11:31 PM	#7
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Bally, first of all congrats on your graduation ( knowledge is the 'mightiest' weapon of all ) I too think, that if the price is 'right' ...get it. I also believe the head is upside down....but it seems to have been like it for awhile....judging by the rust around the finial (as suggested by Tim) Another, high end version sold at Christies ...described as Ottoman ...the head very similar in shape but with decoration. There does seem to be decoration obscured by rust on the one posted. http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/l...jectID=5164286 Regards David Attached Images

22nd December 2008, 04:44 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,315	Yeah, I too think the head is on backwards.....

22nd December 2008, 05:50 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,880	I am not at all sure the blade is on upside down. There does not seem to be any old disturbance to the rivets on the halft. Which would have to be removed to take out the rod and knob finial. It is well worth an offer to my mind as long as it is a bargian. It will probably clean up well.

22nd December 2008, 06:03 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,880	Sadly I no longer have this axe or the pics. Indian stuff never stays long with me. In this link the black and white pic shows a similar upside down type of axe head. This type of axe is often described as rare by some collectors and dealers so it might be a good idea to make a sensible offer, 2-3 of ponies? http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=north+i

22nd December 2008, 09:23 PM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,244	nice axe, the head does appear to be on upside down (either that or the haft is ) it looks like this is the head that it originally came with tho. (the one in the b&w photo linked is a different style and the edge is still in line for a strike - i agree with atlantia. even if there was a picture, it could also have been put on upside down. on this one i expect the finial at the top may unscrew allowing the head to be removed, or some such arrangement. i DO have an ancient axe that is so old it's haft has been replaced three times and it's head twice and recently has had both done at the same time.