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22nd December 2008, 02:49 PM
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Hi Bali,
Well, its not bad, but the head is obviously on 'backwards' and I'm not 100% sure its a fighting 'Saddle' axe (Tabar) and not just a remounted woodsmans axe. Any decoration on the head? Looks to have some age, probobly not too modern. I Like the shaft, from what I can make out. Looks like the Kashmir rosette as decoration? Widens towards the back end to help with slippage, thats a good sign. Shaft is well done, looks 'right' Might be worth a cheapish bid as a bit of a project. Gene P.S. had a closer look and there might be some incised lines decorating the blade! Overall I'd say it looks ok, I'd guess its a later one (towards the end ot the 19th/beginning of the 20th) and its probobly worth an offer. Last edited by Atlantia; 22nd December 2008 at 03:13 PM. |
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22nd December 2008, 04:44 PM
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Yeah, I too think the head is on backwards.....
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22nd December 2008, 05:50 PM
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I am not at all sure the blade is on upside down. There does not seem to be any old disturbance to the rivets on the halft. Which would have to be removed to take out the rod and knob finial. It is well worth an offer to my mind as long as it is a bargian. It will probably clean up well.
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22nd December 2008, 05:55 PM
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Upside down axe!
Hi guys,
thank you for your carefull observations, I totally missed the fact that it was upside down, why would this be?, and if it has been replaced with a newer head can it be easily taken off and put back right? Could anyone please PM me an average price I should offer, I have been stung before, and have no idea to its value. Thanks everyone Regards Bally |
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22nd December 2008, 06:03 PM
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Sadly I no longer have this axe or the pics. Indian stuff never stays long with me. In this link the black and white pic shows a similar upside down type of axe head. This type of axe is often described as rare by some collectors and dealers so it might be a good idea to make a sensible offer, 2-3 of ponies?
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=north+i |
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22nd December 2008, 06:29 PM
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Hi Tim, Am I going blind in my old age? I really can't see the similar upside down example mate? The picture with the Katar in the middle? Can I presume to make an observation about the one in this thread though? If the head is the right way on, then when swung, a light or glancing blow will push the target away. Against armour it may not even penetrate or buckle. Having the curve of the cutting edge lean towards the handle increases the efficiency of the cut on impact. The head looks like a classic Tabar (or any numnber of small ecuropean axes) shape, but very plain, I do think its probobly OK, but I'd be a little wary as it does seem to have been messed around with. I can only assume that at some point the head was removed and it was stored long enough that it changed hands whilst in two pieces. I dont think the handle is a replacement, the rosette studs look ok and the fact that the handle widens towards the grip end is something that is very unlikely to be a home made effort by someone who then put the head on the wrong way around. Yes a couple of ponies or a little more seems fine ;-) Nice Axe for that! Would you adam and eve it? |
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22nd December 2008, 09:23 PM
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nice axe, the head does appear to be on upside down (either that or the haft is
 ) it looks like this is the head that it originally came with tho. (the one in the b&w photo linked is a different style and the edge is still in line for a strike - i agree with atlantia. even if there was a picture, it could also have been put on upside down. on this one i expect the finial at the top may unscrew allowing the head to be removed, or some such arrangement.i DO have an ancient axe that is so old it's haft has been replaced three times and it's head twice and recently has had both done at the same time. |
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22nd December 2008, 11:31 PM
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Hi Bally,
first of all congrats on your graduation ( knowledge is the 'mightiest' weapon of all )I too think, that if the price is 'right' ...get it. I also believe the head is upside down....but it seems to have been like it for awhile....judging by the rust around the finial (as suggested by Tim) Another, high end version sold at Christies ...described as Ottoman ...the head very similar in shape but with decoration. There does seem to be decoration obscured by rust on the one posted. http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/l...jectID=5164286 Regards David |
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22nd December 2008, 10:48 PM
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[QUOTE=Atlantia]Hi Bali,
and I'm not 100% sure its a fighting 'Saddle' axe (Tabar) and not just a remounted woodsmans axe. Hi, I'd love to know how to tell the difference. I've always wanted to add a Tabar to my collection. Any suggestions? Cheers |
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22nd December 2008, 11:26 PM
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Thanks everyone, very informative, are there any other formites who agree or disagree: is it the original head or not?
Also anyone hazzard a guess on the age? Anymore info will be greatly appreciated, the auction house closes for christmas soon, and I have to make an offer soon  Thank you all, and by the way loving the ol Cockney slang  Regards Bally |
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22nd December 2008, 11:44 PM
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I would guess that the head would come back off fairly easily, quite possibly as kronckew said the little finial will unscrew. Possibly it was broken off and whoever repaired it put the head on that way? In any event I find I like it more every time I revisit the thread. If you can get it reasonably cheap then I'd say go for it! P.S Bally If you get it you must come back tell us how much and make us all jealous!! |
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22nd December 2008, 11:54 PM
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Hi everyone
Thanks for the congrats David, very nice of you to say so. Well Atlantia I feel the same way, it grows on me, but it will cost me more like a ton, than a few ponies, so I have to be sure, (its also a few hours drive away  )but I am beginning to lean towards making an offer.... |
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23rd December 2008, 12:03 AM
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LOL, three 'Ponies', a 'Ton'... its only a 'Score' and a 'lady Godiva' difference! And its Xmas! Treat yourself, clean it up and put the head on the right way around and if you dont like it you'll make your money back on ebay! Gene |
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23rd December 2008, 12:06 AM
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Your right Gene it is Xmas, what was i thinking , i am off to get that axe!
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22nd December 2008, 11:28 PM
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I do think this one is alright, its just that I was instantly suspicious when I saw the head that way around, and I've got a few antique axe heads that are that general shape and are definately not Tabars. Now I'm really no expert on these, but I do like axes. I think that generally these will have some decoration on the blades. From elaborate koftgari, carving etc right down to just simple punched decoration or incised lines etc. Whereas, a woodsmans axe certainly wont. Well even European battle axes are often undecorated. I think there looks like some patterns under the rust on this one, some borders etc |
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