Real or copy? (Montante, Bastard, Claymore)

Ed · 9th December 2008, 01:20 AM

The blade looks decidedly African, I even have a mate to it. Altogether it appears too delicate to be authentic.

celtan · 9th December 2008, 01:49 AM

Thanks for all your learned advice, guy. Much appreciated.

Merry Xmas to all!

Manuel Luis

Atlantia · 9th December 2008, 02:42 AM

Hey Manuel,
Can you grab the sword pictured with it? That looks more to my taste! ;-)

I can't add anything on the one in question. I Can't see the handle/hilt/guard being anything other than a repro of one age or another, and the blade at best is an old trade blade, nice but better in a Kaskara where at least it would look at home.

Its a nice enbough piece, but it would have to be priced as a repro, not an original of course.
I could see myself buying it, but at around £100 or so.

All the best
Gene

stekemest · 9th December 2008, 07:54 AM

Besides what has already been mentioned, I have some problems with the blade mark (the crescent). It does not look right for the time if you ask me. I'd also say it's a Victorian copy. Those are sometimes worth a few hundred dollars too, though.
Peter

celtan · 9th December 2008, 01:24 PM

Hi Guys, the adjacent blade is a Judge, Rule, or executioner's sword, and it's being discussed in another thread. The overall impression is that the blade may be legit, but the pommel and cross guard are replacements...

Best

Manuel Luis

Ed · 9th December 2008, 03:39 PM

These are the images of a Taurag-bladded English Officers Hilt sword that was discussed here some ages ago. I think that I was beguiled (at the time) with Burton's report of survivals of Crusader blades (suitably rehilted) among various middle eastern tribes. The consensus, I recall, was that there was a thriving trade between Europe and the mid east.

Anyhoo, here is the best reference that I have at hand:

Briggs, Lloyd Cabot European Blades in Tuareg Swords and Daggers, Journal of the Arms and Armour Society, London 1965, V, 2 37-92.

Ed · 9th December 2008, 04:03 PM

Thinking about it, this is a very versitile blade. You want medieval? You got it! You want Brit Civil War, You got it!! You want ...

Just add hilt and mix well.

celtan · 9th December 2008, 04:43 PM

Ed, you're being mischievous. Santa isn't bringing you that aged Chivas Regal you asked him for, nor the 09' Jag...

I spent a few minutes searching the net for Lithuanian blades to no effect (yes, there's a place called Taurag in Lithuania). So I thought, what do you know? It's european after all !

Then I went back to your post, and I found the Tuareg ref...

What can I say,. Got me!

: )

Let's raise the stakes. I'm throwing you guys this tasty morsel.

Best

Manuel

Ed · 9th December 2008, 08:09 PM

Victorian re-hilted German 16th c. blade?

katana · 9th December 2008, 08:15 PM

....possibly a 1580 Rapier....British

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9th December 2008, 08:15 PM	#10
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	....possibly a 1580 Rapier....British . Attached Images

9th December 2008, 01:20 AM	#1
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 266	The blade looks decidedly African, I even have a mate to it. Altogether it appears too delicate to be authentic.

9th December 2008, 01:49 AM	#2
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Thanks for all your learned advice, guy. Much appreciated. Merry Xmas to all! Manuel Luis

9th December 2008, 02:42 AM	#3
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Hey Manuel, Can you grab the sword pictured with it? That looks more to my taste! ;-) I can't add anything on the one in question. I Can't see the handle/hilt/guard being anything other than a repro of one age or another, and the blade at best is an old trade blade, nice but better in a Kaskara where at least it would look at home. Its a nice enbough piece, but it would have to be priced as a repro, not an original of course. I could see myself buying it, but at around £100 or so. All the best Gene

9th December 2008, 07:54 AM	#4
stekemest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 183	Besides what has already been mentioned, I have some problems with the blade mark (the crescent). It does not look right for the time if you ask me. I'd also say it's a Victorian copy. Those are sometimes worth a few hundred dollars too, though. Peter

9th December 2008, 01:24 PM	#5
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Hi Guys, the adjacent blade is a Judge, Rule, or executioner's sword, and it's being discussed in another thread. The overall impression is that the blade may be legit, but the pommel and cross guard are replacements... Best Manuel Luis

9th December 2008, 03:39 PM	#6
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 266	These are the images of a Taurag-bladded English Officers Hilt sword that was discussed here some ages ago. I think that I was beguiled (at the time) with Burton's report of survivals of Crusader blades (suitably rehilted) among various middle eastern tribes. The consensus, I recall, was that there was a thriving trade between Europe and the mid east. Anyhoo, here is the best reference that I have at hand: Briggs, Lloyd Cabot European Blades in Tuareg Swords and Daggers, Journal of the Arms and Armour Society, London 1965, V, 2 37-92.

9th December 2008, 04:03 PM	#7
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 266	Thinking about it, this is a very versitile blade. You want medieval? You got it! You want Brit Civil War, You got it!! You want ... Just add hilt and mix well.

9th December 2008, 04:43 PM	#8
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Ed, you're being mischievous. Santa isn't bringing you that aged Chivas Regal you asked him for, nor the 09' Jag... I spent a few minutes searching the net for Lithuanian blades to no effect (yes, there's a place called Taurag in Lithuania). So I thought, what do you know? It's european after all ! Then I went back to your post, and I found the Tuareg ref... What can I say,. Got me! : ) Let's raise the stakes. I'm throwing you guys this tasty morsel. Best Manuel

9th December 2008, 08:09 PM	#9
Ed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 266	Victorian re-hilted German 16th c. blade?