EARLY SKETCH OF LUTAO SPEARDANCE

Battara · 13th April 2005, 05:12 PM

No offense taken for me, Bill. I agree, especially in the earlier days. When it comes to the later period, I may be inclined towards Federico's position of Sulu influence. Certainly, intermingling of influences from the Sultanates of Brunei, Maguindanao, and Sulu (even possibly Ternate) are not surprising due to proximity of cultures and common investment into Islam.

Federico · 14th April 2005, 05:19 AM

Ill throw in a shocker, I agree with you Bill, Brunei in the early days (pre-Spanish to early Spanish invasion) held great sway over PI. Though, I would temper that statement while they had great influence (I believe if I remember correctly the Sultans of Sulu and the Sultan of Tondo, which soon becomes the city of Manila, were both directly and closely, eg. one relative apart vs the general inter-relation among Malay royalty,related to the Sultan of Brunei), they were not in complete direct control.

Of course this relationship changes over time.

13th April 2005, 05:12 PM	#1
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,272	No offense taken for me, Bill. I agree, especially in the earlier days. When it comes to the later period, I may be inclined towards Federico's position of Sulu influence. Certainly, intermingling of influences from the Sultanates of Brunei, Maguindanao, and Sulu (even possibly Ternate) are not surprising due to proximity of cultures and common investment into Islam.

14th April 2005, 05:19 AM	#2
Federico Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Minneapolis, MN, USA Posts: 312	Ill throw in a shocker, I agree with you Bill, Brunei in the early days (pre-Spanish to early Spanish invasion) held great sway over PI. Though, I would temper that statement while they had great influence (I believe if I remember correctly the Sultans of Sulu and the Sultan of Tondo, which soon becomes the city of Manila, were both directly and closely, eg. one relative apart vs the general inter-relation among Malay royalty,related to the Sultan of Brunei), they were not in complete direct control. Of course this relationship changes over time.